***Official 2012-13 MLB HOTSTOVE OFF-SEASON THREAD***

Tampa has been asking for Myers + for shields. So I think that's why it hasn't gotten done. I would pull the trigger on Myers for Shields myself. Shields does have another option for next season for $15 mil I think. Which is reasonable.

And Shields is a much better pitcher ten Niese

 

I just dont get the hurry....If this kid Myers is as good as they say.....man let him play and get something better than Shields for him....

 

I don't get it either to honest. But if we can force them to accept it then we should. I'd say its a long shot at this point. But who knows

 

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I don't think Bard has any trade value. But I think they will shop everyone and see the best deal they can get and if they like it they'll pull the trigger.

 

Niese throws 94 to 96? According to FanGraphs Niese average FB velocity was 90.5, unless I'm missing something. They also list his WAR at 2.4 compared to Shields' 4.3. Of course on BR Niese's WAR is 1 win better than Shields there. Not that I would give Myers up for either guy but I would probably rather have Shields than Niese. I just think Shields is the better pitcher with the better stuff and is AL proven.

 

Yeah I don't get the trade Myers stuff either. I'm guess either the owner is getting inpatient and wants to win as soon as possible or perhaps Dayton Moore is on the hot seat and wants to win now. Or its possible the Royals know something about Myers that we don't.

 

Maybe his average is 90.5 but he can get to 94-96 when needed. Wouldnt surprise me since Niese changes speeds well and throws a 2 seam FB more then a 4 seam FB. I was looking at BR's war and quoting that as well. Forgot that BR and Fangraphs WAR are different.

KC thinks they have good position players (they actually do aside from RF) and a weak division (again they do). Thats why theyre shelling out for Ervin Santana and Jeremy Gurthie. They need a frontline guy. Doesnt look like anything is happening anytime soon though

 

I think BR's WAR factors in defense more than FG, which is why there is a difference between the two.

Yeah I get that could be KC's thinking too. I just have a hard time thinking why they would give up probably the best hitting prospect in baseball for a non-stud true ace pitcher. Shields, Lester and Niese are nice pitchers but they're not Verlander, Price, Kershaw, Felix etc. That's why I'm having a hard time with these rumors.

 

I know Kaminska's dad. Good guy.

 

Can the Sox trade him for Rizzo straight up? Theo likes good guys, except the 2011 Red Sox.

 

sweet.

 

And they're not even close to being done yet.

 

It is pretty clear if u are somewhat healthy and can walk, you are getting over 10M lol....

 

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Supposedly Texas is willing to deal Olt for Dickey if they lose out on Greinke...Me thinks if the Mets can flip Olt for D'Arnaud (who is the guy Sandy really covets besides Myers....he tried to get D'Arnaud last year as well) it will get done because 1b is a spot Olt can slot in and the Jays need help there. Wouldnt be surprised if it becomes a 3 team deal

 

Where did you read that they would trade Olt for Dickey?

 

Why would Toronto want Olt when they have Lawrie at 3B? Olt at 1st isn't nearly as valuable as Olt at 3B where he's already a pretty good defender.

 

Greinke to the Dodgers. 6 years for $145 million.

My guess is they pass on Ryun as the deadline to negotiate ends tomorrow and they would get the 25 million posting back.

Kershaw and Greinke as a 1-2 punch is pretty darn good and puts them right there with the Giants for best starting staff in the NL West. Billingsley looks like he might avoid major surgery and Beckett is the #4 starter. Lilly, Capuano and Harang are the options for the fifth spot. My guess is one of them gets traded, along with Dee Gordon to net a fourth outfielder and/or bullpen help.

Good signing by L.A. And while pricey, not nearly as much as I thought they were going to have to pay. Little nervous on the number of years, but Greinke's style is one that is durable and most like won't be an albatross other than maybe the last year.

 

Finally a team has outspent the Yankees... Congrats you are now the new "evil empire"!

 

Wish I was a baseball player. I'd make 3 million a season just to be a "leader".

 

Quick: Mike Olt at 1B or Adam Lind? Thought so.

They already have Arencibia who imo is better suited for an AL park (or really anywhere but Citifield) but their first base options are not appealing.

 

The Dodgers also make history being the first NL team with a payroll of over $200 million and also are the only team with 4 guys on it making over 20 million a season (and it will be 5 assuming they extend Kershaw).

I still say the spending by them to be good now is insane but hey if they win a WS it will be worth it I guess.

 

You're missing the point though having a good C is better than having a good 3B due to position. So by moving Olt to 1st, his value goes down. Therefore why would the Jays flip a good young controllable catcher for a 1B? They wouldn't do the d'Arnaud for Olt deal straight up unless the Mets add move to the package and even then I'm not sure it would be worth it for them. If the Jays wanted to trade a'Arnaud they could get a lot more back than Olt.

 

SUNDAY, 8:31am: Greinke has a full player opt-out clause after the third year of the deal, a Dodgers source tells Jim Bowden of ESPN.com (via Twitter). Furthermore, if Greinke is traded during the course of the contract he can opt out at end of year.

Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#Aag8gAEvrEMwfdqY.99

Interesting looks like he got the Sabathia clause.....
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you do realize that most scouts and prospect rating sites see Olt as a better prospect?
Plus if youre toronto you have a fair offensive catcher in Arencibia but a below average 1B. You can hope D'Arnaud is better then Arencibia but you have a short window wigh a payroll this high since thats typically not Toronto's norm. Or you can get one of the best corner infield prospects in the game and solve a need. Its a hypothetical anyway but it makes sense.

 

Arencibia is a career .222/.275/.433/.708 26 year old catcher. I'm thinking Toronto would rather have the better catcher on their team and find a 1B, which is a lot easier than finding a good catcher. Again Olt as a 1B isn't nearly as valuable as Olt as a 3B. A trade for Olt for d'Arnaud would not be a good deal for Toronto, even if Olt is the better prospect, which is based on him as a 3B. Again if he was a 1B he wouldn't be ranked as highly.

 

Dodgers sign Ryu ad well. Huh...

Capuano, Harang or Lilly will be traded for sure now.

 

Tampa is pretty good at this

 

If true....wow. Freakin Tampa. Great job by them. Very jealous.

 

Most scouts believe Olt is a plus player at 3b/1b or LF. I think youre seriously undervaluing him. D'Arnaud is very good, thats why I want him but Olt is a better overall prospect.

Not to mention in the last 30 years when the Mets sustained runs of success...Gary Carter, Todd Hundley and Mike Piazza were their catchers. Since Piazza...nothing special there, nothing special in terms of team performace. The Mets always build around pitching which is why we need an anchor behind the plate.

 

Full deal:

EHEAHEAHEAH Dayton Moore. What a joke.

 

Andrew Friedman: "Dayton, do you want this deal with or without lube?"
Dayton: "Without"

 

Odorizzi AND Myers! Why?

 

I'm not undervaluing Olt, I've seen him play as far back as in high school I know how good he is. All I'm saying is a 1B prospect unless he's Albert Pujols (aka a sure thing HOFer) is not as valuable then a good catching prospect because of position scarcity. As a 3B Olt is much more valuable than if he played 1st. It's much easier to find a good 1B than a good catcher, especially nowadays where it's acceptable to have a catcher with a sub .300 OBP and he would be considered league average.

 

Yup hell of a trade for the Rays. One thing to mention though, which no one will, is that the Rays just got a little worse in 2013 and the AL East just got a little more up for grabs (as I thought as of yesterday the Rays have the best team and I still believe that but obviously losing Shields hurts).

But seriously what the hell are the Royals thinking? You trade probably the best hitting prospect in baseball for a good pitcher in Shields and good pen arm, although I think they're putting him back in the rotation, in Davis. I would have probably held off on trying to get a better package then what they got. Not taking anything away from Shields/Davis but there are better pitchers out there obviously.

 

I dont know about that... The Rays badly needed a bat to pair with Longoria they had plenty of pitching. Their rotation wont miss Shields that badly.....

• ROTATION
• 1. D. Price
• 2. J. Hellickson
• 3. M. Moore
• 4. A. Cobb
• 5. J. Niemann
• 6. C. Archer

Isnt to shabby...... Odorizzi isnt that far away and if they can get Montgomery back on track....