Question is, will he catch it? DROPS / TARGETS / COM. % S. Hill: 5 / 46 / 45.7 Some notable names from the top of the list in drops this year; V. Cruz: 9 / 118 / 57.6 C. Johnson: 8 / 144 / 59.7 B. Marshall: 7 / 138 / 65.9 Hill's criticism is with his consistency in catching. Doesn't matter if you get open if you can't come down with the catch. Ask Ginn and the Miami fan base.
If Philbin has clout in whether or not Ireland is retained it tells me that Ireland wasn't the leader in signing Ireland.
Your own numbers suggest there's about an 80% chance that he will indeed catch the football. That doesn't seem to justify statements such as, "Doesn't matter if you get open if you can't come down with the catch." On the kinds of plays I'm talking about, such as two plays where Stephen Hill would have scored long touchdowns against the Dolphins in the first matchup between the teams, you're talking 50 to 80 yards if the QB sees it and/or throws it even semi-properly (and I say semi-properly because of Hill's range). For that kind of gain, I'll accept a 20% chance he drops the football.
Agreed, but you can't really fault him for not matching that ludicrous offer.......at the time. The fact that Ireland is Baylor alum means nothing to me either. A good GM plays without biases. It was a lot to give up then, and imo it is still a lot to give up know, even knowing how he translated thus far. He is on a collision course to a concussion or other serious injury, and take the option running out of his offense, and you seriously have to consider his mental make up. He can make every throw necessary, and with accuracy, but how is he at reading an ENTIRE field? Personally, I would still have to give it significant thought, so I can fully understand why GMs would both make, and not even consider that deal. I am neither here nor there on the matter, just putting my two cents in.
I never like the "at the time" argument. Evaluators are paid to have foresight and to make better judgments than their competitors.
Would you use a upper 2nd on him though in light of everything...if you were Ireland knowing the needs of this team?
I would have taken him over Jon Martin then, and I'd take him over Jon Martin now. I think Stephen Hill's season would be going a little better, or a lot better, if he had Ryan Tannehill throwing him the football and not Mark Sanchez.
While maintaining fiscal (draft picks included) responsibility. Ireland potentially had a better draft grade on RG3 than Washington, but felt it was too much to give up from a business aspect. We don't know that. Others are under the impression that a QB like RG3 is worth whatever it takes. We just simply don't know who the better evaluator was in this case. All we know is that Wash was willing to give up more.
No, we don't know that. Nor does it matter. The decision not to go up and get him was what it was. If you believe RG3 to be a wildly successful franchise quarterback then that decision appears to have been wrong. Evaluation involves valuation. Saying what you're saying is like claiming that so-and-so is a good evaluator because they liked Russell Wilson, even though they'd not have taken him higher than the 6th round.
lol uh HELLO? outside of QB, WR was the biggest need on the team going into the draft, and because we failed to address it, now it's definitely the biggest need on the team.
Being a Baylor alum should of given him even more insight as to how good this kid could be, maybe he should of put a higher priority on a player with this type of intellect, personality and special athlete/ intangibles, and understand how that, would impact his troubled franchise.. The point is, the offer wasn't ludicrous..
damn just imagine had we finished 2-14 last year....we'd have the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft...no 6-3 finish down the stretch means Ross probably fires Ireland... so we'd have Luck or RG3, a new coach and a new GM...our future would look so bright, our owner would be happy, the fan base would be happy, more fans come to the games....*sigh* man it would have been great...
We really got to stop with this "We are mediocre" crap. We are not mediocre in the grand scheme. We are terrible. 4 straight losing seasons. A long drought of non-playoff appearances with one lone exception. We are not mediocre. We are bad. Now.... this current team? It has graduated to mediocre. So we have improvement. I would also appreciate us not being compared to "the middle of the pack". This used to be an elite franchise. It MUST get BACK to that status, where we take 10-6 for granted every year. THAT IS MY STANDARD. Any of you "Fans" that don't believe that...then you have been a Dolphin fan for too short a time. Time to raise expectations.
I don't think you can say that. First, you have to keep in mind that the Redskin picks last year were better than what the Dolphins had to offer. On the trade value chart, the difference between the Redskin picks and the Dolphin picks was 330 points, which is the value of another 2nd round pick last year (which the Dolphins didn't have), or roughly the value of all of the Dolphins other picks last year, or probably another future 1st round pick (thus making the trade for 4 1st round picks). And that is under the value chart in place prior to the rookie wage scale. The value of those very high picks is probably even higher than that now. Also, you can't really assess whether that would have been a good trade without taking into account Tannehill's value relative to RG3. It's silly to pretend like that assessment can be made after 75% of one season. If Tannehill ends up being anywhere close to as good as RG3, not doing that trade (even if the Dolphins could have done it) will look pretty smart. I liked RG3 a lot, but giving up an entire draft plus two future first rounders, or last year's 1st plus 3 additional first rounders is a helluva price.
Yep, our brand has been shredded over the last decade. I do think we have reached the point of stabilization, but I'm not 100% that Ireland is the GM to lead us to greatness again. Think Philbin is a damn good coach though I do believe he is to cautious in putting guys on the field. Especially on offense
That's the part I'm not so sure about. We're 5-7. We're 10.5 point underdogs to the 49ers this week, the same level underdog as the Arizona Cardinals and Oakland Raiders. We could legitimately be a Jaguars upset away from 5-11 and if that's the case I wouldn't say the Dolphins have graduated to anything.
And realistically, no one would have been satisfied if Jeff Ireland drafted either of those players. They'd be regarded as Ireland low-balling the position again, and their production would be pretty much totally marginalized here. You do realize you're suggesting that Clyde Gates was a late round pick while simultaneously decrying not drafting Chris Givens in the exact same round?
The better the Colts do the worse that Vontae trade looks. I wasn't expecting a high 2nd round pick because I had no idea how the Colts would do but I was really hoping for a high one.
I'd say that is more about Tannehill being so unproductive tbh. If MMoore started, would we still be 10 pt dogs? I'd doubt it tbh
I hope they find someone from a WINNING organization. Jeff Ireland started his career as a scout with the chiefs in 1997, then with the Cowboys as the "VP of Scouting" and then our GM. Chiefs haven't won a playoff game since 1993, Dolphins since 2000, Cowboys have won one since 1996. Yeah, those are the franchises you'd want to pick your GM from...
Everyone wanted Tannehill and now we got him. He plays well and we can play with the best of them, we have seen it all year long. Tannehill plays like **** and we loose, we have seen it all year long. Our record has very little to do with Ireland's recent performance. Ireland has this team primed to make some serious up grades this off season. Do y'all expect him to do the dag gum coaching 2? Mediocrity is Philbins fault or does Philbin get a convenient pass How does not being able to coach up Tannehill and Tannehill rookie, crap play have anything to do with Ireland????
I didn't really care. I was actually surprised we didn't make a better move. Trade up, do something. Ireland lives and dies by Tannehill, I guess. At least that is what most will have you believe
I can only look at this as like what I would of done.. I use that relative theory you speak of all the time when I'm playing my own little GM game..during this recent past looking for a qb, i studied all of them pretty hard, I had 4 qbs in the past two years to become stars, 1 becoming very good, and one sleper, the stars were Kaepernik..Luck..RG..Wilson..the very good was Dalton, and the sleeper, Tyrod Taylor.. I read a lot of stuff last year that we had interest in Kaepernik, I was pissed we didn't select him, but I gave him some credit because the player was off the grid a bit and not spoken of among the best coming out. Then you take RG, and the relative theory you talked about, my opinion was that he was a transendant player, hear me out, Andrew Luck, the best prospect I ever seen was coming out, I knew we had no chance, but something made me feel ok by that, and it was the chance to get a player that might match on some levels the brilliant talents of Luck..I figured that guy is going to be there every year so you better get the best player with the highest upside you can..RG was that player for me..so when you recognize those things to yourself, you can't play the game you talk of unless its your backup plan, you go with your conviction about the talent. Then Russell Wilson, why are we not including this freak in the conversation if you want to talk about value relative to costs, how bout steal of the draft at the qb position, his projections by most pundits were almost laughable, including myself, CK, I don't remember anyone else saying they would give up their first round pick for the guy..we could of easily traded down and got him, with an extra pick..Russell Wilson and Dwayne Allen is what I call value no matter what RT turns into. We did nothing on that front, these are examples of players in our grasp, at the most critical position, when we needed one the most, that are on Ireland's watch, he didnt go those routes, he chose his guy and he better be good, really good, because those guys are already.
Would have jumped all over Alex Smith. If I had it my way he would be our QB right now. And i would have used our 1rst for a receiver. Then I would have just launched passes to them all game long. Kind of like this [video=youtube;m4HwxnH5yWc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4HwxnH5yWc[/video] Then a little more like this: [video=youtube;Fxmf-A_F0lU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxmf-A_F0lU[/video]
Something was up with that dudes body, he was no where near the size he was three years ago...not sure why Ireland didnt see that as a red flag..
LOL I Rehab me with this, look who the coach of the other team is..................Bill Parcells. Marino 5TD's 473 yrds - first game back after Achilles injury [video=youtube;8Ki0j3GL2cY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ki0j3GL2cY[/video]
Miami paid two fairly high 2's for Marshall and got two fairly low 3's , how is it he was at maximum value again?
How many times does it need to be said. We have a lot of expiring contracts, and that "splash" money will be more than likely used to re-sign our present players not sign free agents. There will more than likely be no splashing but more like a little ripple wave.
