Daunte Culpepper's best year was Randy Moss's worst as a Viking. Nate Burleson lead team in yards and Jermaine Wiggins lead in catches. Moss did have 13 touchdowns, however Burlenson had 9 and Marcus Robinson had 8.
It CAN be true, but the point is that WE AREN'T GOOD AT KNOWING WHEN IT WILL BE. The two big arguments for this here were Chris Chambers and Chad Henne, neither of which has been proven correct. People argued for months if not years about how those two players needed a better QB (Chambers) or a better supporting cast (Henne), and neither has been verified as correct. So yes, while it's true that this situation can certainly be true and has been true for some players in the league in the past, it's also true that the forum is no good at predicting that. In other words, if you're going by the track record of the forum in this area, it's entirely possible (or rather, probable) that a better supporting cast could do nothing significant for Ryan Tannehill. Now, of course it's also possible the forum is correct and Ryan Tannehill will be much better with a supporting cast, but we certainly shouldn't think we know that for sure when our track record in that regard is not good. In fact, we should probably be saying, "oops, here we go thinking this again...."
From Barry Jackson "For some perspective on Ryan Tannehill’s performance Sunday, consider he had NEVER engineered a comeback from a fourth-quarter deficit of seven or less since becoming Texas A&M's fulltime quarterback midway through the 2010 season. He had been 0-5 in that situation at A&M, 0-3 with the Dolphins. He did lead A&M to a late win against Nebraska in 2010, but in that game, the Cornhuskers were tied but never led in the fourth. Entering Sunday, Tannehill had an 8.0 quarterback rating in the final two minutes of the first and second half (worst in the league) and had the league’s fifth-worst rating (62.5) in the fourth quarter of games with a margin of seven points or less." Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...ots-of-notes.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy
So.. Yeah. He's well established the trend. Glad he has now succeeded once (after throwing an INT that a penalty flag reversed). God willing Ryan changes his stripes now and begins engineering successful comebacks more often than not. Sometimes you just have to have DONE it once to feel its possible, and then you can do it again. Here's hoping.
The thing about stats like this, is that sometimes they miss the mark in evaluation, as that is what they are trying to be used for. He did engineer a game winning drive, in a big game no less. Against Texas, down 24-19 with 4min left, he threw for 45 yards and ran for another 10 and took them down the field and then threw a touchdown with less than 2min left on the clock. The fact that Texas drove to get the game winning FG with Tannehill never even getting on the field again doesn't and shouldn't impact the evaluation of Tannehill's performance. In a big game, at the end of the game and down by 5... he drove his team down for the game winning TD. We aren't grading the defense and special teams when evaluating Tannehill's individual ability/performance.
Stats don't show the two missed field goals after two successful drives.. It's kinda like folks who still crack on flaccos game, not only did some miss the evaluation from the get, some will still not concede...even after he made the biggest throw to reach the pinnacle, and was completely on point doing so..they choose to ignore that little fact.
Some guys have a knack for winning at the end... Even if that includes milking the clock so there's no time left for the other team. Or coming back again with only a few seconds left. I agree that Ryan has had a few unlucky breaks on comebacks, so the stats aren't as woeful as they appear at first glance. Still, they aren't impressive either. Lets see what he does this weekend, because there will be a lot of pressure for him to score TDs to keep up with the Pats. And a good chance he'll be playing catch-up in the fourth quarter. Great opportunity to assess him. Especially against Belichick's scheme and coverages, after Belichick has 11 games of film on Tanny.
I see a whole lot of blaming Ryan for defenses and special teams. The guy has played a grand total of 30 games between college and the pros. Too small of a sample....especially when you got to deal with A&M's 'no defense' defense and Carpenter's early season choke job.
What I see is: A rookie QB who had very limited college who stepped into an immeadiate leadership role on a professional team. He has decent comand of his offense. He makes decent audiable adjustments when he gets up to the line. He makes decent reads after the snap. At times he has a fairly fast release. He isnt afraid to take shots when he sees them. He looks for plays down field before he checks down. He continues to improve on his deficiencies from week to week. He rolls out to buy time. Last week he started stepping up in the pocket to buy time also. He is growing in front of our eyes. I've watched him stand in the pocket and take big hits while getting his throw off too. As long as he keeps growing into his role I can care less what the stats say or some sports writer. Coming out of college Peyton was proclaimed a choke artist. These labels mean nothing. Trust your eyes. Mine are seeing more good then bad so far.
Have to do it with the run game, which can get us down the field while at the same time decreasing their firepower by keeping them off the field.
It's our only shot. However, when you combine the Pats explosiveness on offense, and our secondary's penchant for letting teams go wild... I fear it will only take a few plays/minutes for them to put us in a 14pt hole... leaving us to abandon the run game in an attempt to catch up.
I agree on everything you've said, including seeing more good than bad. Doesn't mean Ryan's flawless, however, or that certain concerns don't bear observation.
Probably right. There is a certain amount that creative playcalling could do... but Sherman and Philbin have been stressing that these players are still working on getting the basics and fundamentals down, so that's what will be focused on. In Sherman's presser this week he also addressed something I'dd been thinking about... the fact that we started this season with a VERY high paced offense and now run a slower one than we had planned. Sherman attributed this to where the players are at in terms of execution and not being capable yet of running the full-throttle offense. We started the season running plays faster than anyone in the league, but now we don't. The Pats, in fact, run plays faster than we do. So: 1) Yes, they have more offensive ability (though Gronk is out) 2) Schematically, we could make up for it with playcalling, coaching, etc... but we can't because... well, again, the players are even limiting that. So listen up everyone... we CANNOT overly judge this coaching staff on what it does in this game since thstaff cannot actually use all the X's and O's at it's disposal. This is an offense in its infancy. I don;t expect us to keep up, scoringwise. 35-20 Pats win. Though I hope to be totally wrong.
I'm not concerned yet. I don't put stock in situations that happened in college vs the NFL. It's a completely different game. He's held it together alright for us late in games. Showed up big this week. Did get us in position against the jets early in the season. Failed against Arizona. Couldnt get it done against Indy either, but he wasn't the reason we lost either So overall...he's a rookie?
The best part about the his play at the ending of the game is when he ran for the first down right in the middle of the last drive, it tells me that he might be ready to make some plays on his own at crucial times..he's engaged into getting the first down however possible, please let that talent be there and continue to develop. I've noticed that laterally speaking he's not as deft.but the dude can step up and run, with some serious ability.He's north and south all day,
Luck is a rookie. Matt Ryan was a rookie too. Both of them had more comebacks by the time they reached their 12th game. So it's not the rookie thing, IMO.
Luck has a vet #1 receiverr in Wayne, ryan had turnr who lit it up that year and if Carp could kick RT would have 3 at this point.
Luck has more tools and experience. What's really crazy is RGIII's completion percentage and TD/INT ratio...69% and 14/4...like wtf...
SPlit feelings again... he had one good TD drive that gave me hope... some real crap after that, though also some weird calls (Bess deep?)... but really, can;t say he was 'clutch' today. 4th down throwaway doesn't help create the never-say-die image either.
Never heard that before..... and i was all over Tannehill pre-draft..... The knock on him was obviously lack of experience.... so everything else is highly debatable. I guess if its true they'd be basing it off the few years at A&M where he had little to work with as well. I do know he was the best Red-zone Qb in the nation. It's just funny how everyone can come to conclusions on a rookie qb. How soon we forget how raw he is in comparison to the other rookie QBs.... To determine Tannehills value down the road right now is pretty silly. It seems the chances of that are usually pretty good !
Thats some assessment there....The offense has struggled period... so to say he's struggled to lead come from behind victories and that means he'll only be average..... is really reaching. Lord knows you need attention/ stories to spin.
'm just saying, the NFL is predicated on predicting and projecting. Do I think this college kid will play well for ten years in theNFL if I take him in the draft? If I re-sign this player, what is he going to perform like? Is my rookie tight end looking like he'll develop and contribute more next year or do I need to go get a free agent tight end? It's all guessing the future. And it is daily and constant assessing of those guesses that lets you decide who starts this week, who sits, who has earned a chance to play more (guessing he will play better than anopther guy). So while the FINAL word is not out on Tannehill, it's unreasonable to think we should wait til AFTER a player has performed for years before we assess the player. We wouldn't even know who to draft in what round if we took that approach.
Exactly..my criticisms at this point is to whether he has a part of a skillset that I believe to be important to winning a championship, which is something I believe that is not necessarily developed over time..I'm trying to figure out what he is, his ceiling, and how we can win with what he does offer..so I think understanding what he can't do is as important as what he can do..I compare him to other qbs at this point, qbs that we could of aquired to figure out if Ireland has any worth, and what kind of value he got out of his resources.
I'm hardly sold on Tannehill, i do think he's going to be a good player. But i dont see how you can proclaim him as a guy who struggles in the 4th quarter when he's probably played better in the 4th than any other quarter this year.
