I just don't even care about paying left tackles anymore if there going to play like long might as well use that money at play maker positions and score points
This is about the third or fourth game this season that someone has declared Jake Long done based on a single play the announcers pointed out, and ignored that otherwise he had a pretty good game.
When you are wrong , and you are at times , do you ever change your position? A single play? you did watch tonight right? You think he played like 2 Steve Austins?
When I'm actually wrong, sure. Long might end up being credited with a sack that his guy wasn't actually pressuring the play on, but I don't think he had a bad game by any means.
Is that like Matt Ryan isn't a franchise QB or taking Long over him was the right decision? Jake Long isn't and hasn't been a legitimate difference maker for a long time. He is not worth 12 million plus a year , his play on the field and the value just is not there.
He didn't have a good game let alone a great game and if he doesn't have those , which he consistently hasn't , he isn't worth anywhere near 12 million per.
PFF has their stats out this morning and Jake Long is credited with giving up a single hurry and no other pressure against the Bills. That's really shocking! Who could have possibly guessed? I don't think at any point up until this season you could have argued that. Before this season had Long playing worse and Ryan better, there is really no issue at all with that.
PFF isn't the holy grail. Jake Long was absolutely demolished on the play where Martin was bull rushed by Williams. The two Buffalo DEs completely dominated both our tackles and collapsed on Tannehill near our own end zone from both sides. The only thing that saved Jake Long from another embarrassing replay was the fact that Martin's guy got there a split second before Jakes. It seems that for whatever reason, neither of our tackles is able to anchor right now. Jake Long has not been good.
Problem with trading guys like Long is it is harder to get first round compensation because of the salary requirements. Best bet would be to trade him to a team (good team) way back in the draft for a low first rounder. A team who really wants a good LT. BTW: I think Long is very good, no way I would lose him. Wait until you get a turnstile on the left side, not fun.
That's pretty much entirely cosmetic and would have pretty much totally been a non-issue without Martin. People do not know what they are talking about in terms off actually looking at offensive tackle play. People are looking at a play or two that the announcer highlights, and drawing inaccurate conclusions.
I never thought I would say this, but after watching the overall play of the OL last night, and specifically at tackle, I actually would consider not resigning Jake Long. I can tolerate Martin a little more because I know he has to get in the weight room.
Not all that well, but outside of the Colts game he's been one of the best pass protectors in the league. All and all he's #11 in pass blocking efficiency, which isn't great for him but ain't bad either.
I'm almost flip flopping the complete other direction on Jake Long. This roster is so bereft of talent there's something to be said for not being able to afford giving up what little talent you do have. Jake Long is talented despite the year he's having. He wasn't the problem last night by any means. Can you really afford to be nitpicky about ideal resource allocation when you have no talent?
There you go.For all the money he makes being #11 sucks.No way they should pay this guy top left tackle money he is breaking down and if you don't see it you our blind.How come you didn't mention his run block rating and overall rating?
It's pretty much the reality of big money contracts. You can't expect a perfect correlation between contract and performance at all times, and that kind of deviation being unacceptable really isn't reasonable. Long's run blocking grade isn't particularly good, but I'm also in disagreement with how they handle it. Long got most of his negative grades in games the running game was good both in general and to the left, and when he was facing dominant edge defenders.
Honestly there is no way to justify spending the amount of money that Jake is going to command on him.
If it's a different GM, I could be down for that. But if it's Ireland I feel that we'll have the exact same holes next year, that we have today.
What amount of money is that? It's pretty hard not to justify franchising Jake Long at this point. They've got cap room, and they are pretty unlikely to be spending it on big money free agents. You don't let a player like that walk because of one down year.
You base decsisions on play from how many years back then? Or current? Finally we have a coach who often says , you trust your eyes ... Jake Long did not have a good game yesterday ....again.
I don't think many people will look at the tape of yesterday and agree that Long had a bad game. If you can't be sure Jake Long will perform like this or worse for the rest of his career, you franchise him and re-evaluate.
Thats the point a dominant left tackle plays well against everybody including the dominant edge rushers.Why pay big money to a declining left tackle that only plays well average edge rushers.We can find somebody else to do the same job without as much cap hit. I am still waiting what is his overall rating?
Read the post. Jake Long did not have a good game , he is paid , expected to have good games not so -so games , let alone bad ones. He is not and has not been a difference maker and imo not worth 12 plus a year.
If we spend 12 million on him that is 12 million we cannot spend else where. I would rather spend that kind of money on a big time WR and a couple other role players and then draft a tackle that can come in and do a mediocre job.
You'd have a point if this was a problem for a longer period of time. It's not at all uncommon for elite players to have down years, and judging them without any regard for anything else generally speaking is not going to work out well. Actually, when you get down to it, Jake Long handled the best edge rusher he's faced quite well in Kamerion Wimbley. He had a **** game against Dwight Freeney, but he's a couple years removed from being that guy. His overall rating is 0.4. Which isn't particularly good, but you can't really claim he's playing average either. It's largely run blocking, and PFF is strange with how they handle zone run blocking. He got huge hits for games where he was facing dominant run defending 3-4 DEs in games he held his own, and his team was successful running the ball to the left side.
The front office is highly unlikely to spend big money on outside free agents. They've been pretty clear about that.
Well, I mean, I probably shouldn't be conclusive. It's possible they will want to sign a relatively big money free agent if they find someone that is really rare, but I think the idea of "rare" goes beyond "he's played really well before". An example of this would be something like the Patriots making an exception for Adalius Thomas.
Ireland specifically mentioned how much money they would have this off season to get the team better , he did this in the past week or so . Whether they do or don't , we shall see , but he made a point of highlighting that as a plus in the game plan to become better.
I'm just trying to think what an outside GM would do. That's the situation we're likely to be in this off season, having an outside GM come in and decide who should be kept and who should walk. Jake Long is very well respected around the league, and the Dolphins don't have a lot of talent. I don't see an outside GM coming in and letting one of the few pieces of the puzzle on the team that he respects as a good player walk because the player wants to be 10% of the salary cap structure while the new GM would really like to make him only 8.5% of it.
I know Jason Peters went for a late first round pick... that had me thinking, if we were to trade Jake Long. What would we even net? I still think giving him the franchise tag is the best option and giving him one year to return to form before just letting him walk. However if someone offers a first round pick for Jake Long when we have that franchise tag on him, it'd be hard to turn that down.
I think Randy Starks is the other guy that commands league-wide respect. A new GM would focus on keeping him because he's a rare DT that makes plays in both phases. Flip a coin on guys like Reggie Bush, Brian Hartline and Anthony Fasano. A guy like Eric DeCosta seems likely to let a Brian Hartline walk because of his lack of toughness and physicality. But if the new GM is someone from the Green Bay system or has ties to Philbin/Sherman, you could see Hartline stay because of his ability to get open in single coverage, play smart, and use his kinesthetic sense. I think a Nick Caserio is also likely to keep Hartline. Anthony Fasano I could see being allowed to walk just for money concerns. Reggie Bush same thing...but he's got fans out there. Like I said, it's a coin flip. Some prospective GMs would be all up on him, others not. But one thing that tips the scales toward "not" would be how he has seemed to fall out of favor for whatever reason with this coaching staff. He did something that pissed them off and I don't think it was the fumble last week. MOST prospective GMs would focus on keeping Sean Smith. The reality is the Dolphins have no corners other than Smith. Richard Marshall is not well respected, and garnered little interest as a free agent. The new GM might cut Marshall outright. I imagine an Eric DeCosta being torn on Smith. I know for a fact through contacts that the Ravens front office were not fans of Smith coming out of college. But the reason they didn't like him because of his lack of physicality. He's way more physical nowadays and it's clear a lot of the lack of physicality was due to him still being new to the defensive side of the ball. And like I said, corners are considered gold in the NFL because of the way the passing game has evolved. If you don't have many corners you shouldn't be giving up the ones you do have.
That's the only circumstance in which I could see Jake Long walking under a new GM. But the question is...who steps up as a bidder?
Re: Reggie, I could see a new potential GM being attracted to his versatility, and maybe that he's still being underutilized in the passing game. Which reminds me of how much he's underutilized in the passing game... Just looking at the numbers, last year and this year have been the lowest R/G of his career. Like you said though, coin-flip.
Signing your own player is the top priority. Even if we sign Jake Long to a top of the line contract and he performs like he is now, it would be very much in line with the efficiency of free agency contracts.
The Rams. They have two firsts and a need for a LT. I don't know what they're cap situation is, though.
