****Official 2012 MIAMI MARLINS Thread****

He's a very unlikable teammate from all accounts. He's now basically been run/push off of two teams.

EDIT: personally what he did with the eye black in Toronto makes it extremely hard and almost impossible for me to root for him. It was just plain dumb and no excuse for it.

 

Honestly if Marlin fans were smart they would band together and refuse to go, watch or listen to a single Marlin game this year. Don't buy any Marlins merchandise etc. If everyone does that that might very well be the best shot you have of getting rid of Loria and company. Just refuse to support the team in any way shape or form.

 

There's actually a rumor that Loria did this because he might sell the team. If that's true I really don't mind the trade.

 

I'm not going. Whatever money I would have spent on the Marlins next season will be going towards playoff tickets for the Heat, as well as tickets to the Jupiter Hammerheads, which is likely to be the better on field product.

 

I'm probably the only dumdass in Miami. I have not listened to talk radio since the Dolphins loss on Sunday so I knew nothing about the trade. So I'm at Dadeland Mall looking for some new kicks and I go by this Marlins booth with all kinds of nice stuff. I bought me a spring training hat, which btw, are bad to the bone and I go about my merry way.

I wear it out to dinner with my lady and on the way home, I happened to turn on the radio and Josh Fredman is talking nothing but Marlins so I think RUTRO, and he rattles off the trade. I think to myself you dumb#### .....

Ugh

The only way this would seem to make sense is if Loria is going to sell the team because no body will be in that new stadium he robbed the City of Miami, and Dade County to get. It's been rumored ever since he got the deal so I had no doubt that it would happen. The problem with this is, is that he cannot get all the profits from selling the team unless he owns it for 9 more full seasons. So look for our Marlins to be right at the bottom of the league in payroll from now until then so Loria can stash away a bunch more money from revenue sharing.

 

If you live in Miami-Dade did you mind building him a stadium so he could up the value of the team just to sell it? Taxpayers pay for it and he makes a huge profit?

 

As long as he sells it, I'm fine. He's a douchebag for doing that, yes. But if this trade drives him out of baseball forever, and away from Miami I'm content.

 

Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1
2 execs spoke to already said this: Ricky Nolasco will be next to go from #Marlins

 

Not a big shock or ground breaking news at this point. Look for Loria to try to get rid of Escobar before he ever puts on a Marlins uni.... He is making 5 million! Loria cant have that!

 

Naa, Escobar will stay.

I'm happy they're looking to move Nolasco. I wanted Nolasco, Buck and Bell off the team. At least that's coming to fruition.

 

From all acounts that I've seen/heard out of Toronto, tv broadcasts, sportsnet/sportscenter coverages here there was never an issue with Yunel in the clubhouse in his time in Toronto, no issues with Cito Gaston when they brought him here, no issues with John Farrel. The only incident on record that I'm aware of is the eye black incident, which abolutely was stupid. Other than that, I'm not sure what you're going with here. Escobar to me, is just a quiet, keep to himself kind of guy. That is mostly due to the fact that English... is something that escapes him for the most part

 

Honestly right now I am glad I live in Broward and not Miami-Dade. What these clowns did to those taxpayers is awful. I am so, so disgusted by this trade I don't know where to begin.

Ramirez, Sanchez, Infante, Buck, Reyes, Bonifacio, Johnson, Buehrle... all gone. We're more pitiful than the Mets now.

 

My response to this as a Braves fan is that he was only there for a couple years. You didn't start to hear rumblings about him in Atlanta until he was there for a few seasons. It was an effort thing with Yunel. There were days he seemed like he just really didn't wanna play, and he didn't. The final straw for Yunel in Atlanta came in a game against the Mets at Citi Field. He was on third, and there was a fly ball hit to right. For some reason, Yunel forgot how many outs there were or forgot that you're supposed to tag and score on such a play. That was pretty much the nail in the coffin. He had numerous plays like this.

That the Braves traded him for Alex Gonzalez while in playoff contention pretty much tells you all you need to know about the guy.

 

I woke up saw this on espn and my first thought was just LOL some things never change. What a massive waste of taxpayers money on that ballpark.

 

The Marlins are basically a Ponzi scheme at this point, owned and managed by shysters and grifters of the highest order.

Loria has now destroyed two franchises while enriching himself and his cronies, including his clownish stepson who is nealry as bad a movie reviewer as he is baseball executive.

If MLB cares about the South Florida market at all they need to step in and take control of the team. I get allowing the rtade to proceed as I guess it can be somewhat defended on pure baseball terms as the MArlins are getting back good prospects and the salary dump makes the etam more attractive to potential buyers, but Loria and Sampson simply cannot be entrusted with the team anymore.

Selig has the authority under baseball's charter and its agreement with the club owners to step in, put the team in quasi receivership and search for a buyer. Loria will make hudnreds of millions on the deal. He shouldn't even be opposed. But as is, the MArlins simply cannot function as a major league team under this ownership. Tey will never be able to sign a free agent of any value, they will not be trusted by agents, the fanbase (such as it is) will dwindle even further, etc.

 

My roommmate who is a braves fans summed it up like this "He acts like Hanley without have the talent of Hanley"

 

I thought it was widely well known that Escobar wasn't/isn't well liked by teammates. There were never in incidents or events that were public like the eye black one or anything specific but was just one of those players people just don't like for whatever reason. Didn't the Braves celebrate when he was traded?

 

It can't even be defended on pure baseball terms. We didn't receive their top prospect and top pitching prospect in return. Had D'Arnaud and Syndergaard then it would have been a more fair trade.

 

I get that, and agree with you, but we did get some good prospects in a salary dump, which usually doesn't happen.

Regardless, it doesn't change the ultimate point that this team cannot move forward as a going concern in any meaningful way under this ownership group. And Bud Selig and the other owners have the authority to take control of the team in extreme circumstances. Well, these are extreme circumstances, arguably worse than what McCourt did to the Dodgers.

Remember, McCourt's biggest crime wasn't that he and his wife were fighting over the team in the divorce, it was that he was using the team's assets as his personal piggybank to fund other ventures, while cutting payroll, etc. That's why MLB took the team over, to avoid it's liquidation.

The same thing should be done here, particularly given the irreparable harm that this ownership is doing to the Miami market, which is obviously important to MLB or they would have facilitated the relocation of the Marlins a long time ago.

There were multiple bidders for both the Cubs and dodgers who likely would be interested in the Marlins given the brand new stadium with sweetheart deal and the opportunity to rebuild the franchise and fanbase from essentially ground zero

 

So who are we pulling for this year? I'm leaning toward Washington and Toronto just for the hell of it too. I feel bad for Mike Redmond. I like him a lot (still think they should've kept Ozzie, whatever) but even though I grew up watching this team I can't help but hope they finish in dead last this year as a middle finger to those bozos in the front office. Hopefully Ruggiano, Stanton, & co. have nice seasons but I feel bad for them.

 

http://deadspin.com/5960332/the-miami-marlins-are-a-hilarious-disgrace

 

I can't ever get behind the notion that trading three proven very good to potentially elite players for a bunch of maybes and never-will-bes is fair. That's like trading Matt Ryan for two thirds and two sixths and thinking you came out ahead, IMO. I just don't believe in it.

I'm rooting for Mark Cuban to buy the team. Yeah, it would be totally awkward with Cuban and Micky Arison in the same market. I don't care.

 

Hopefully Loria did this to sell. That would make the trade excellent, despite not receiving their top prospect.

 

MArk Cuban, that would be hilarious and disturbing.

Don't think I could ever truly like the guy

 

I don't agree there. Completely different sports, so it's not the same, IMO.

Why can't Mickey Arison own this team?

 

If this is what it took to get a new owner than so be it, I can't imagine anybody being worse than Loria.

But we were burned by John Henry as well, don't forget. He cried poor, failed to get a stadium and then magically found $500 million lying around to buy the Red Sox. He hadn't worn the pants that the $500 million was in for awhile so it's reasonable that he forgot he had it

 

That's a perfect summary.

 

I wouldn't be able to either. Perhaps there's a better way to watch the games without any profits going into Loria's pockets. Maybe buy the MLB package and watch the other teams game feed? Not sure if that would even work but last thing I want is to see that guy make any money. He possibly killed pro baseball in Florida last night, I wouldn't be shocked to see the Rays leaving the state since I doubt they would be able to get public funds to build them a new stadium now.

 

Hanley acts like Hanley without having the talent of Hanley.

I would have liked Yunel as the 2nd baseman to Reyes as the SS.

Had they made that deal and kept Reyes and Buerhle, I would have supported it.

 

And Mark Cuban would be a great owner. It's funny that MLB refuses to let him own a team yet.

 

Seriously...Mark Buerhle was one guy that they paid correctly, and actually earned his pay check.....so they dump him too?

 

I wouldn't mind it if it was next season. It is a year too early. At least they got OK value for him when you break the trade down. We got NOTHING for Reyes.

 

Reyes too, basically put up his career averages and was not overpaid, given what you have to pay guys on the free amrket.

What makes this absolutely criminal is that it is now clear they had no intention of keeping these guys from the day they signed them. I udnerstand we had a bad year, but give it a chance. We had good players, many of whom had down years. Ride it out at least through the deadline next season.

It also appears as though Toronto was the only team willing tot ake all the guys they wanted to dump. Otherwise, you cannot convince me that we couldn't have gotten better peices selling of each guy individually, or two to a deal and open bidding amongst all teams. Of course, in so doing, we probably couldn't have dumped Buck and that was more important I guess

 

Because if you're going to gut the team anyway you might as well get rid of a pitcher who's going to be making 18 and 19 million dollars at age 35 and 36 as his contract is heavily backloaded. It wouldn't have made a whole lot of sense to keep him under these circumstances. But you're right his contract was absolutely fair at the time it was signed.

 

But again if you're actually trying to win and build a team/fanbase, you hold a guy like Buerhle for now (even if you're trading JJ) at least until the deadline. Not only can he act as your "ace" and at least stabilize your rotation with a vet at the top, but he would absolutely bring value to a big market contender at the deadline.

This was a dump, pure and simple.

 

I would love for Cuban to own this team. How the MLB justifies letting Arison own a franchise and not Cuban is beyond me. Arison will minimize the pay roll next year in front of an empty stadium but still reel in his cash from the revenue sharing, not giving a crap about how he is putting us fans through a meat grinder. Just awful.

 

Oh of course it was a dump. If the Marlins were trying to compete they wouldn't have traded Johnson or Reyes either. This is Team Dump 3.0.

 

You mean Loria?

 

Even JJ, I could understand. Injury prone and expiring contract. If that was the only move, and we got Nioclini and Mirisnick then I could live with that. But this was simply a case of "whoever takes JJ, Buehrle, Reyes and Buck off our hands has a deal".

Then we had to throw in Boni to get it finsihed