Jeff Ireland, a positive spin on our GM

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  1. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Of course, after the season I will if that's the case. I can tell you that I won't be bumping any threads to say "I told you so" if the opposite happens, though.
     
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  2. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Funny how so many of the "patient", "realistic", and "right" posters were also glowingly optimistic about the 2011 campaign. They were awful quiet at this point in time last season when that team stood at 0-7. I don't remember anyone rubbing their noses in it either.

    It's fun to be right about the team being good. And we're all happy. But show some class. Sure, there were some fans overly negative to start the season. But fans of this team have been through a lot. Can you blame them for expecting the worst? Do you think they are upset to be wrong? Of course not! We all make early season projections. And we've all been wrong or right. I can't count how many times I've screamed the Dolphins were playoff bound to anyone who would listen and been dead wrong. Enjoy the fact that you were "right" this time and quit trying to paint other posters who were less optimistic as unintelligent boobs.
     
  3. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Back when you were posting under the username Toddphins a lot of posters here wondered where you were the day Chad Henne was cut. You were nowhere to be found, and that was before you were banned. Funny how a guy who was so wrong about Chad Henne (a guy you defended with the same fervor, logic and arguments you defend Ireland with) and couldn't take his medicine when he as proven wrong, is so quick to rub everyone's noses in it when he thinks he's right. And even before you've actually been proven "right" about anything. If you're not going to take your own medicine when you're wrong, please don't try and rub it in when you are calling yourself as being "right" waaaaaaaaaaaay too early.
     
  4. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    We went over a week w/out an Ireland thread.


    Good job, good effort.
     
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  5. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    but you and others essentially starting in on the "I told you so's" before the season even began by using our past lack of success as an excuse to harshly criticize, insult, and talk down to FinD, myself, and anyone else who believed this team was headed in the right direction and no longer in the gutter. Heck, it was to the point that you guys treated FinD's belief that we'd be .500 or better as if he just claimed we'd win 4 straight Super Bowls. That's how bad some of you thought we'd be, that .500 was such a stretch and that your minds were so made up about our future failure that you essentially justified it as an "I told you so" before the season could play out.
     
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  6. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Nope, that's not what happened. Quit painting yourself as a victim.

    The discussions we had about Ireland were separate from the the discussions we had about the team. Mine were anyway. And, a little context, most of these discussions took place before Tannehill was named the starter. I stopped caring about the overall team success at that point, because his development is the most important thing.
     
  7. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    At least they're not new threads.
     
  8. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I'm not really sure what you're talking about, but I do know that my own personal opinion of Henne was that he looked quite promising in 2009 just like most of us felt, and that I believed he deserved a fair shot under a new OC who would actually design an offense & playbook around him rather than one meant for Chad Pennington, that he was essentially set up for failure under Sparano & Henning, that the volatile nature of the QB position including success & failure are is of the few positions in all of sports that can be quite dependent upon external factors, that QBs take time to develop which means patience is required, and that b/c Henne was a 2nd round pick who was regarded quite highly by many that he shouldn't be cast off so quickly considering his previous OC, Dan Henning, had never in his career seen the success & development of a young QB in his offense.

    If you've read any of my posts around the internet, you'd see that I wasn't arguing that Henne was destined to be a perennial Pro Bowler or guaranteeing his success; I was standing up for a Dolphin who was put in a position for failure from the get-go, and I argued that he had some redeeming qualities about him to warrant a shot to show what he can do with Brian Daboll and being in a system more conducive for success Most of my arguments being made were about putting QBs in the position to succeed the way Atlanta did with Matt Ryan and Baltimore did with Flacco. That's it, period.... but thanks for the off-topic attacking and baiting post.

    I argued against Orton & Kolb being the solution over Henne when many posters were falsely hailing them as the savior of the team, and I argued against drafting one highly so that Sparano couldn't get his grubby sausage fingers on a shiny new QB during his lame duck year and potentially ruin him. Everything that I argued played out just fine b/c instead of Orton, Kolb, Flynn, or Palmer holding us back or using up cap space we now have Ryan Tannehill, a talented QB who looks capable of winning us a SB, a quarterback I claimed was top 10 worthy and Miami's best draft pick as far back as probably February, long before the hype surrounding him arose. If you want to pop off at the mouth, let's look into your past posts and talk about who our current QB(s) would be if Miami did things your way rather than my approach that resultingly netted Tannehill after ignoring all the useless Orton, Kolb, Flynn, and Palmer chatter. I'm all ears.

    Henne wasn't cut by the way, so I have no clue what you're referring to. He was a FA.
     
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  9. Sethdaddy8

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    Nope, it's just about "acting" like we won one.


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  10. ToddPhin

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    you mean the way you showed class by labeling optimists as KoolAid drinkers, apologists, and members of the Ireland fan club before the season even began? :up:

    Ahhh, I see. So that makes it ok for you and others to belittle and harshly criticize posters who experienced the exact same tumultuous past but unlike you have become optimistic lately? You and others have every right to be upset, but you have no right to talk down to posters for becoming optimistic and reasonably so while you're amidst your doom & gloom phase. You see, the problem lies in the fact that the optimistic posters weren't running around openly bashing all the pessimists for your/their pessimistic beliefs remotely close to the manner that the pessimists were bashing the optimists for believing we weren't nearly as bad as you guys were suggesting, and it's not even like any of us optimists were arguing that we were a SB team this year.
     
  11. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    You know exactly what I'm talking about and so does pretty much everyone else, so might as well just change your name back to Toddphins. And are you really going to call me out for baiting and attacking after what you've been up to for the last 12+ hours? That's rich.

    Rewrite history however you want. You crafted thread after thread comparing Henne to Peyton Manning and other such statistical cherry picking nonsense and then took a nice long vacation when the team opted not to extend him an offer. (you're right, they didn't cut him but end result was the same)

    I'm not blaming you for defending Henne and being wrong about him. That was your right as a fan to support him as a player. But when you don't take your medicine when you're wrong, don't spend 12+ hours harassing members 4 wins into a season.
     
  12. ToddPhin

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    No, it's about acting like we look to have a promising future under Philbin, Tannehill, and this defense with Ireland at the helm contrary to yours and other prematurely pessimistic beliefs. If you and others feel entitled to talk about how much of a failure we are before the season even begins, then I and other optimists certainly have the right to discuss how we look to be on the right track now that we're 7 games further along than we were when you were making your claims in absolute fashion of a talentless team destined failure.
     
  13. Fin-Omenal

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    This success is more Joe Philbin than the abundance of beasts we added via FA.
     
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  14. ToddPhin

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    I've never compared Henne to Peyton Manning. LOL. ..... and I've NEVER cherry-picked insignificant stats.... and if you're talking about my not posting until July, that might have something to do with my father in law unexpectedly passing away after being hospitalized in ICU for over a month while spending every day there with him, his death being the result of negligence/malpractice, and then dealing with the lengthy, unpleasant aftermath. There are these things in life called priorities.
     
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  15. ToddPhin

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    Exactly. It's amazing what good coaching can do with the talent a GM brings onto the team compared to Fasano & Company who couldn't develop crap unless it was an established #1 overall pick.
     
  16. Fin-Omenal

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    You leave Anthony Fasano out of this! !
     
  17. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I'm very sorry to hear about your father in law. Sounds like a really ****ty situation.

    As for the rest, maybe someone else penned the infamous thread comparing Henne to Manning. Or maybe it was a different QB. It was a while ago. The important take away, very few of us on this board have a perfect track record. So let's treat everyone with respect whether they are right or wrong. Ok to revisit old topics, but do it with respect. Telling fans you got them a paper bag for their face isn't respectful.
     
  18. dWreck

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    Is phinsational really toddphins? oh dear lord i hope thats a joke. ... :escape:
     
  19. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    The caveat being some of us took metric tons of abuse for such radical stances like...we'd be 8-8. Hell, i got blasted on two different web sites.

    Again, most on my side of the argument weren't even being super optimistic or homerish.

    So for me personally, I'm not going to rub anything in and haven't, but I also think its a little disingenuous for so many who were quick to insult, berate and flame posters and the team before the season, are now asking for patience and decorum. That just smacks of the same emotionally fueled rhetoric that started this all in the first place.
     
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  20. Fin-Omenal

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    No. Todd was much smarter than this new putz.
     
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  21. dWreck

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    Eh. Be that as it may, I was going to say I hope his name change came with a bucket of Quaaludes.
     
  22. Sethdaddy8

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    I laid claim to the endless cycle of mediocrity. Which is kind of where we are, slightly north. The needle has not moved enough for a side to claim they were right or wrong.

    I will never tell you what to say or think though, or anyone else. A Gentlemans discussion/debate is what we have here and need to get back to.


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  23. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    That's a good point. I could've been the Curtis Mayfield pusherman of the forum doling out happy pills for all the prematurely depressed pessimists who seemed one step away from a splattered destiny with a concrete sidewalk. :p

    [video=youtube;hCDAfa-NI-M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCDAfa-NI-M[/video]
     
  24. dWreck

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    Cant see the vid.... but if you are Toddphins all I can say is sorry. :sidelol:
     
  25. ToddPhin

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    The needle moving greatly upward isn't what most of us were arguing, evidence by stating .500 or better would be an improvement. What we were arguing is that the arrow now looks to be pointing upward even though the success needle might not ascend significantly in our first year. Some of us believed we were a .500+ team this year with the potential to go 9-7 or even 10-6 if the cards fell right for us and we avoided injury, but those beliefs were harshly met with reactions that we had predicted a 16-0 season followed by stomping fools through the playoffs en route to a SB victory. Cmon, Seth, some people were pretty harsh in their responses, significantly harsher than myself or any other optimist or so called "Ireland apologist" has been today or the past week in rehashing this discussion. Those posters who dished out the abundance of premature beatings simply need to buck up and take their own lashings like a man so that this place can properly restore harmony and balance so that there are no pent up, hostile, ill feelings roaming rampant.
     
  26. Stringer Bell

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    No, they do not. Nobody needs to be subjected anything like this. If this is what you're looking for in a forum, find another to post at.
     
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