A Thread I Started on Brian Hartline Just After He was Drafted

I just don't get what you are trying to prove here.....

but anyway good job in fairly and correctly assessing a player.....

FWIW my brother-in-law said he wasn't going to bust out so that's all I need to know and was good enough for me.

 

Considering he apparently had gangrene after that appendix surgery I'm very happy about what he's done so far.

 

With all due respect, I have a monopoly on the Brian Hartline "I told you so" market

 

A post I made before the 2000 draft:

I nailed it.

 

I deleted all the personal posts guys. Keep things on topic.

 

I remember Peter King pre draft had something nice to say about Hartline

 

How is it off topic to disagree with the original poster's claim that this isn't an "I told you so" post? It strikes me as pretty on topic.

 

I think he deleted it bc people were grilling you for giving Hartline an F on draft day.

 

Because it wasn't the main topic. Claiming that its not an "I told you so" post looked more like a footnote to me.

 

I told you shmucks Ginn was a better pick than Quinn!!!

All the crow u can eat baby

 

How is that new? I bring that up on my own like probably 1 out of 5 times we ever talk about Brian Hartline.

 

I comprehended it the first time, no need to read it again......

just unsure where you were going with it....

 

When the original post says something that you disagree with and you say so, that's suddently a TOS violation based on subjective standards about what parts of the post were "main points" and what parts weren't?

A little heavy handed there.

I think slickj is correct on this one. My posts got deleted specifically because of the off topic TOS violations that occurred in response, and you deleted my posts as well only in order to give an image of fairness. But what I said was pretty on topic.

 

Idk I guess it's just popular then.

 

Could have had Hartline in the 6th, just saying

 

I don't care about the appearance of fairness, trust me. You were speculating as to the motivations of the poster.

 

I was disagreeing with an assertion made in the original post. The poster claimed this isn't an "I told you so" type post, but it seems to me like it is.

 

You're saying this to the same fan base that hailed the acquisition of 4th round pick Brandon Marshall in 2010 as the Dolphins finally acquiring a premier wide receiver.

 

Right I can see that, but Hartline was a guy who didnt surprise me if he panned out and the 4th was a great pick on him....

Again my brother-in-law said when he came out that Miami probably has a keeper and the 4th was a great slot for him, he has good football route speed rather than straight line, good hands, excellent body control, very nice balance and has a knack for having incredible feet control outside the hash marks (sidelines).....in contrast when I was giddy that they got Henne because crap who wasnt, he told me he would bust out....stares to many players down, not smart.....I laughed at him then, he laughs at me now.

So who is he Mayock?? No. He is/was from Michigan (lives here now), went there, season ticket holder since he was 18 and is 36, has them to go to 1 game every other year....OU....

Sorry for getting off topic, but this whole thread is off topic, I guess the point is, if ya'll need Michigan/OU player assessments come see me.....or Fin-O

 

Who the hell cares? Can we put egos aside and just focus on what is in the present?

 

I hope it's not clothes.

 

Just about any 4th round pick could have been a 2nd round pick under different circumstances with more production and a better QB throwing him the football. The argument is circular and ends up boiling down to Brian Hartline is good and I recognize he's good because I always thought he was good and if you had always thought he was good like I always thought he was good then you would also recognize that he is good. I'm really not trying to criticize. That's what the rationale boils down to.

You said it yourself, Brandon Marshall was hailed as a premier receiver because he PRODUCED like a premier receiver. Brian Hartline has not. He's produced about 400 or 500 yards a season with about 1 touchdown a season since being drafted. If it's a little difficult for people to swallow him as a premier wide receiver that's pretty much mostly the reason, not the fact that people don't recognize that he was a 4th round pick that some (yourself included) thought could have been a 2nd round pick had he been more productive in college. In Green Bay, Jordy Nelson wasn't even Jordy Nelson after he had that great Super Bowl. He was Jordy Nelson after he started the whole year and produced an *** ton of yards and touchdowns. He was a 2nd round pick. Until he went H.A.M. in the Super Bowl he was still playing third or fourth fiddle to Greg Jennings, Donald Driver and James Jones.

Great yardage marks at the season's quarter pole are not going to suddenly convince everyone that the guy that has been producing 400 or 500 yards a year with maybe 1 TD is suddenly Jordy Nelson, whether you thought he was a good draft pick or not. I'm not sure I see the point here. It's going to take time. The production will lead the horse to water. If he's producing and playing like Jordy Nelson the whole season he'll be considered a Jordy Nelson.

 

I started Brian Hartline in my fantasy leauge last week in place of Mike Wallace on bye week. So I win.

 

I bet the person you played hated you, because I would have in his situation.

 

So did a guy I was playing against who had Nicks.

I was piiiiissed.

 

you could make the same argument with Egnew and so far he hasn't been successful.

 

I don't really agree with this.

Nobody really underestimates Davonne Bess anymore, because we know he's a good player in the NFL because he's produced like a good player in the NFL since he was a rookie.

Same with Hartline. We all think Hartline is a good player based on his production in his first 3 seasons. But it's not really fair to view him like a top WR yet because he hasn't produced like one throughout 90% of his career. If he sustains this success for another 4-6 games, then most will. And everyone around the league will as well.

Basically, the lens were looking at him through is based on his first 3 years as a pro. Not what he did in college or his draft position, or his 40 time, or his Madden rating

 

Wouldn't it be crazy if Hartline leads the league in receiving yards, while coming close to Jerry Rice's record?

He has to get 76 yards per game to break Clayton's team record.

 

God damn Section.

 

Yeah, I'd say it'd be kind of shocking.