Hartline's Zona receptions. Follow the White Guy. (images of every catch)

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  1. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Here's are snapshots of every catch... plus a few significant plays.

    I'll start with the 80 yarder.
    At first I thought Bess picked Hart's man, but it was just botched coverage on a deep crossing route with the safety out in no man's land.

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    Did Hartline blow by the secondary ala Mike Wallace? Unfortunately no. Nobody picked him up, but I'll take an 80 yard TD anytime.
     
  2. ToddPhin

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    Catch #1

    easy 7 yard drag across the middle. Nobody picks him up, and he sits down in the zone for an easy catch.

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  3. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    follow the white guy... :lol:... what is this a KKK meeting?
     
  4. Bpk

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    I am so tired of the old stereotype that black guys can't play receiver.
     
  5. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    "Easy catch with the defender 2 yards away..no YAC"

    What? He had defenders to both sides. What's he going to do? Truck them? If he tries to do more and fumbles (which so often happens), you're going to chastise him for trying to do too much.
     
  6. ToddPhin

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    Catch 2
    12 yard out hitch vs Patrick Peterson in 1 on 1, no safety help.
    The coverage is good but Tannehill starts the throw before or as Hartline begins his break.
    Ball is placed perfectly. It's a good catch by Hart, but this play is mostly all on the QB.
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  7. ToddPhin

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    I'm not chastising him for no YAC on this particular play. I just didn't feel like creating & saving another another image that shows him getting tackled.
     
  8. alen1

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    No credit goes to him for winning at the line of scrimmage, creating space down the sideline to break off his route and allow Tannehill to make the "perfectly placed" pass?
     
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  9. ToddPhin

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    :chuckle:



    I can say "follow the white guy" cause I'm white. lol. :tongue2:
     
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  10. Stringer Bell

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    How did he get off the LOS?
     
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  11. ToddPhin

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    Peterson nearly squeezed him out of bounds. I give him credit for the route and catch, yes, but it's not like he completely schooled Peterson on the play because w/o a perfectly placed pass that's a potential pick.
     
  12. ToddPhin

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    Teleporter.

    BTW, that's one of the few receptions he had where he actually wasn't given a free release.
     
  13. Stringer Bell

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    Of course, because Hartline is too good against press coverage.
     
  14. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Oh come on, call it like it is. He got on top of his route, created a 3 yard cushion from himself and the sideline to allow Tannehill to throw the ball. Peterson didn't almost squeeze him and that ball didn't have to be perfectly placed. Quarterbacks are instructed to throw outside on that route and if that's all Tannehill does, Hartline has a chance. If you look at it, Tannehill threw it too far inside as a matter of fact and if anything, his placement raised the chances of an interception because if Peterson keeps his eyes up, he has a chance of making a play.

    What you didn't show: This ball should be outside.

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  15. ToddPhin

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    Catch 3
    13 yarder vs rookie Jamell Flemming. Huge cushion. Stringer, how did he get off the line on this play? :tongue2:

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  16. alen1

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    That was against traditional Quarters coverage on 3rd and long. Fleming was late reacting and should have been all over him.
     
  17. ToddPhin

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    I'll give you the ball placement, but the key to the play's success was Tannehill releasing the ball as Hartline made his break, if not before it. It was a good route by Hartline but the throw is what made it IMO. It certainly wasn't due to bad coverage by Peterson.
     
  18. ToddPhin

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    but he wasn't all over him. It was an easy pitch and catch.
     
  19. alen1

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    Tannehill's supposed to release the ball at the break. He initially took an extra step, which caused the ball to go inside and slightly late (if we're being technical here).
     
  20. ToddPhin

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    It's hard to say b/c I don't recall seeing him make many receptions verse it Sunday. That might've been the only one.
     
  21. alen1

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    Absolutely. But the down and distance is integral here too. Tells you a lot about the coverage.
     
  22. ToddPhin

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    I understand that, but the timing was pretty darn good. BTW, this isn't one of the plays that I claimed as an easy throw and catch, so I'm not sure why people are making it out as if I am.
     
  23. alen1

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    Check the edit.

    Its because you're not giving credit where its due.
     
  24. ToddPhin

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    wasn't it like 3rd and 10-12? So why is the corner giving up the easy first down?
     
  25. alen1

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    3rd and 10. He wasn't supposed to be giving up an easy first down, as noted. But he's instructed to give a cushion that deep in that coverage call. Maybe a little closer (a lot of coaches I've talked to like 7 or 8 x 1 in Quarters) but I obviously don't know for sure.
     
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  26. ToddPhin

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    Fine, he can have all the credit for this play if you like.... but it doesn't take away from most everything else he faced or was afforded all game.
     
  27. alen1

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    I'm not trying to argue with you here. I'm just calling it as I see it.
     
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  28. ToddPhin

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    I understand the cushion. I was merely pointing it out the free release and subsequent success.
     
  29. alen1

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    Sorry, you said "easy first down" so I assumed you could only mean the cushion.
     
  30. ToddPhin

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    1 on 1 verse Peterson in the Redzone
    points left on the field b/c Hartline unfortunately is not a scorer.

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  31. alen1

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    That goes on Tannehill...
     
  32. ToddPhin

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    was referring more to the poor corner play.... but it doesn't hurt to have a free release regardless of the down & distance, no?
     
  33. alen1

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    Definitely not but its expected.
     
  34. Paul 13

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    The most recent pic that he posted? I think it's poor play design with regards to Hartline vs Peterson. There's no way he's getting open on whatever that route was (fade?)
     
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  35. alen1

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    Yes. He got open. If the ball was thrown on the back shoulder, where Hartline was open at and had the leverage against Peterson, that's likely a touchdown.
     
  36. CaribPhin

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    "Hey guys, a receiver set a franchise record for yards in a game. Here's why we shouldn't be happy"
     
  37. Paul 13

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    The second pic on that sequence, the ball is in the air I believe? you think he's open there on a back shoulder throw?
     
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  38. ToddPhin

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    Catch 4

    2nd & 3. Verse Peterson. Quick pass with Peterson giving about a 10 yard cushion.

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    but he lowers his head and runs right into the teeth of them for only a 2 yard gain.
    Becomes a dead drive and punt b/c we can't make 3 yards in 2 downs.

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  39. alen1

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    What phinsational didn't post was this...

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    Its really a timing issue.
     
  40. ToddPhin

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    Here's why we shouldn't be happy when a receiver sets a franchise record in one game----- WE LOST.
    All his yards went for nothing b/c we couldn't run the ball, we couldn't throw for garbage on Zona's side of the field, and we couldn't pass in the redzone.
     

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