Bobby is going to hand the Yankees the Division as one final eff you to Boston on the way out the door.... I really hope they keep him as manager I think he just had a rough first year and will bounce back nicely next year.... Can you post it Fink the line-up??
Not really Bobby's fault if Pedroia (possible broken finger getting X-rays now) and Ellsbury (mystery injury) are out with injuries. And no this isn't one final eff you to Boston, the roster is thinner than Pedro Ciriaco right now, he doesn't have much of a choice nor does it really matter who's playing. 6 out of the 9 players started the year in Triple A, only Ross, Salty and Danny Valencia were on opening day rosters. Just shows you how hard this team got hit by injuries this year and it's not even a knock on the depth they had since they're playing the back ups to the back ups now. The line up is: Ciriaco - 2B Nava - LF Ross - RF Gomez - 1B Lavarnway - DH Saltalamacchia - C Valencia - 3B Lin - CF Iglesias - SS
I didn't realize Elsbury and Pedoria where hurt....that's why I was assuming it was..... Elsbury what happened?
No one knows, no one is talking. Ellsbury said it's nothing interesting at all and the team is just saying he had an injury. It's strange.
Oakland won last night eliminating LAA and TB.....thank God 2 very dangerous teams IMO.....and no JT you dont want Texas to win, Yankees are shooting for 1st overall and home field advantage which really isnt home field because the first 2 games of the ALDS the better team starts out on the ROAD... Amazed at LAA this year...
Me too, especially after they got Grienke at the trade deadline. You have to wonder if there's going to be a big shake up in LA over it, especially when you consider all the money the Angels finally spend this offseason. But that's what's going to happen with the new WC format, there are going to be teams like Oakland and Baltimore are going to come out of nowhere and grab one of those spots. Funny you don't hear too much from the "baseball needs a salary cap" crowd right now.
I heard LAA wants to keep him. They are expected to decline options on Haren and Santana so they can afford him. I'd be interested in either guy on short term deals, assuming their medicals check out.
I was going to ask about Haren for you guys....forget Santana IMO, that guy gets lite up in the AL East imo.... On another not, somewhat surprised Girardi let CC go 8 last night.....I would have though he would have pulled him in the 5th or 6th just in case.....
Yeah I'd take Haren in a second if he's healthy. Not a long term deal but a 1 or 2 year deal with big money. Of course the team could always trade for him before the Angels decline his option. Santana has had a terrible year but there's never a bad 1 year deal in my opinion, why not take a flier on him. And yes Girardi leaving in CC last night in a blow out game simply so CC can get to 200 innings was dumb. What if the Yankees need him for a play in game, or why not just rest the guy too. He always is out of gas at the end of the year, which is why he usually pitches poorly in the playoffs, plus he was out with an arm injury, why risk anything in a give me game. Just dumb.
Manny Banuelos is having TJ surgery on Oct. 4th. He'll be out all of next year, which will be yet another lost year of development time for him. The kid just can't stay healthy. The positive news is the kid is still pretty young and there's a high success rate of pitchers coming back from it. So much for the "Killer B's" thus far. Banuelos is out for 2013, so at the earliest he would appear in a Yankee uniform would maybe be at the end of 2014 season, assuming everything goes right and he actually pitches, Betances has been just awful and probably lost all of his trade value and Brackman isn't even in their system anymore, I believe he's with or was with CIN and pitching poorly there too. That's the risk you run with prospects though. I'd love to know what the Yankees could have gotten for any of them before this year started.
Shame, but Still, he doesn't turn 22 until next March, so it's way too soon to write off his future. He just won't make an impact for the Yankees as quickly as first expected.
I added to my previous post about that he's still young, etc. So yes I agree it's way too early to write off his future since he's 21 years old however there are already a lot of red flags with him which were his health, which again he's never been healthy for a full season since he was signed and that after the 2013 season it will be 2 straight years "lost" years of development time, which obviously hurts. I don't think, if you're the Yankees, you really know what kind of pitcher Banuelos will end up as since he hasn't been very dependable or durable so far. It just stinks that a kid with that more talent and promise keeps getting hurt.
Sure does.....but just a drop in the bucket.....wonder what the wash-out rate is for MLB Draft is? Never really thought about it, but it has to be one of the least predictable from 1st round to last round and not only making it, but sticking with organization that drafted you, etc. Ehhh, so be it for any of these minor league arms, just keep drafting and find the best collection to fill out the MLB 25. Another reason why spending contracts on these drafts is perhaps the biggest waste of resources for bang for the buck, but it has to be done, you need a solid farm system even if just for trade bait. Cashman really has done an outstanding job in focusing on the 25 (with luck involved) when taking shots on guys like A. Jones, E. Chavez, B. Colon, F. Garcia, A. Pettitte etc to complement and buy time for farm guys...its a solid organization in that respect. Really interested to see how the payroll debate plays out and what they do regarding the new CBA details.
The wash out rate is pretty high because they have 50 plus rounds of the draft, so approixmately over 1500 players are being drafted each year, of course there's a % of them that don't sign and there's only 750 MLB spots available at any one time. The success rate of a drafted player getting into even 1 MLB game is very very small, but it's always been that way. Of course Banuelos wasn't a draft pick but an international signing. And there's a big wash out rate involved too with those. But those guys generally sign for peanuts anyway, so it's not a big issue or big deal. It's only the high profile guys that really make the big bucks guys like Matsuzaka, Cepedes, Darvish etc. Banuelos signed for $450,000.00. But even so, do you not even want to have a draft? Isn't the washout rate for high priced FAs just as high? How many times do those truly work out? And it's not like a team like the Yankees can't afford to use 15 million or so of there resources to sign players from the draft or international FAs. I don't want to turn this into yet another draft debate. The main lesson of course is having depth at the major and minor league level is never a bad thing. And yes the new CBA is going to change a lot of things moving forward, again it was one of the reasons why the Red Sox weren't able to sign any FAs last offseason and a big reason why they were so willing to dump all of that payroll.
Of course I want all traditionally available options to find the best 25, FA signings (including INTL), Trades, and the player Draft....just saying lately you have been hyping up this Sox collapse as somewhat justified as getting a top 10 pick in the coming draft. I am really just discussing/debating our two organizations...not really talking about MLB as a whole. Its great right now as a Yankee fan, just in the chaos taking place in Boston, but more importantly on what we have accomplished as an organization and really even if just measured from our own epic collapse in 2004. I know silver linings have to be found in the ash of quitting on a season; so from my fandom perspective I am so grateful to see what Cashman has accomplished as he piggybacked off of what Watson and Michael's accomplished, etc. And as quickly as you would expect the best organization in baseball to pick itself up and dust itself off, Cashman pulled the right triggers to secure the WS in 2009 following the absence of the chance in 2008. We had every chance and shot in 2010, 2011, and once again in 2012. So you have a chance at a cleanslate in 2013 following no shot in 2010, 2011, 2012? Now, while Theo secured you 2004 and 2007, I have yet to see any decision since 2008 ALCS really get you back in the proper frame of mind from a WS goal. Now, if you think you have that in Cherington cool....but I havent seen it yet....including the trade/salary dump/quitting on the season. Yes you erased Salary, you also traded away depth and talent....the real question is what's next? Injuries suck...but they are not the defining decisions really.
Hyping up the Sox collapse as a good thing because it means changes will have to be made, since their current model wasn't working. So by them completely tanking it's truly the best thing for the franchise moving forward. The worst thing would have been for the team to simply hang around can close to the playoffs, not make it and then bring back the same players back again because "they were close". Sometimes you need to hit rock bottom to truly be able to rebuild again. In a way isn't that what happened with the Yankees in the late 80s/early 90s? Obviously differently circumstances on reaching rock bottom but I think you'd agree what happened to the franchise during those years were for the best, no? Again having a top 10 pick is important because it's a protected pick. It gives the Sox flexibility now to go out and sign a Type A FA, if they choose to, and not worry about losing the 1st round pick. If you don't think all 29 other GMs wish they could sign a Type A pick without having to give up a draft pick, regardless of what number their pick is you're crazy. Plus again, yes obivously the MLB draft is a total crap shoot, but (not even factoring in your record/if you made the playoffs etc) wouldn't you rather have the 27th pick instead of the 28th pick each round? Obviously the better pick you have in each round increases your shot at getting a better player. It's not a sure thing but the probability is greater. I have no clue if Cherington is going to be a good GM or not, the jury is still out on him. On paper he has made some good moves and bad moves too, like all GMs. Again with the "Punto Trade", what depth did we really give up besides a 1B who may or may not have 30 plus HR power anymore? Getting rid of Josh Beckett and Nick Punto is a bad thing? And someone can make a very good argument that Crawford was never going to work out in Boston. Again how the trade works out remains to be seen but I think right now it's a huge win on the Red Sox side and I think if you read any articles at the time of the deal nearly everyone agreed (not saying those people are or aren't good judge of talent) but I think you may be overrated the players the Sox gave up while underrating the prospects they got back and the huge salary relief. As for what's next, that's a great question. We'll see....
I think their current model that wasnt working is still their current model.....thats my point. Salary dump or not....its still their current model until we see examples where they stay the same and slowly fill the holes that exist throughout. Looking forward to see what Type A FA outfielder they go after...cause there is nothing else there. I would rather have the system in place to scout and find talent....do you feel Cherington has that system in place?
We will have to wait and see what their current model is, since they wipped the old model of simply signing high profiled players to big contracts didn't work for them. They have a clean slate outside of John Lackey. Time will tell but I would be extremely surprised if they spend big money this year just to spend it. I think you'll see them very active in the trading market to try and find those value players they picked up in 2003 and 2004 to go along with home grown talent they are continuing to produce. As far as the bolded part: considering both BA and BP ranked the Red Sox 2012 draft well, yes I think he has a system in place. He really didn't change much from the system the Sox had under Theo Epstein and himself when he was in the scouting department and also director of player development, when they drafted well. Plus the Sox recently signed long time advanced scout Eddie Bane, who is extremely highly regarded within baseball, to add him as an assistant to the GM. So yes I have zero worry about the Sox and drafting.
oh I'd love it if it rained non stop until Thursday with the Orioles winning both of their remaining games so the Yankees are forced to play both.
*** Official 2012 New York Yankees Thread*** Yanks have to start hitting with guys in scoring position, with that said amazing win! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I dont agree with Cano in the 5 hole AT ALL he is too good for 5....the should never bat any lower than 4th...I also dont agree with Ichiro being in 9th.....he is to hot right now he is 2nd.... dude the Yankees bailed Joe out last night big time, if they lost that game seeing Balt won and they are tied today with that lineup he put out there he has some major questions to answer too....Cano has 18 hits in his last 7 games..... This isnt a Tex thing either, he had a bad game big deal, it just so happened it came at the worst possible time....no way should it have been as close as it was... Lastly seeing Cervelli last night made me realize why I missed him so much ahahahahh love that dude...
Girardi is getting HAMMERED on the FAN all morning as he should...he simply cant pull a move like this in the playoff..... Even pitching Sori 2 innings=DUMB.......think you might want or need him tonight with the DIVISION on the line....how is he going to be effective after 41 pitches thrown.... If he cant go I bring Joba in in the 9th.....
There will always be second guessers...its what they live for. You just cant let yourself fall into their trap. Relax, you are smart enough to know the ins and outs of 162 games. Chill and dont let yourself be duped.
Not fans BDH...... Beat writers, Murti, Hoch, Feinstand etc.....I mean whats done is done, and they have to move on...... They just have to put up a few runs early and make the Sox start to think the fareway is a better place to be.....it is IMPERATIVE they win this game tonight....it is the easiest route....the tiebreakers with them Balt/Texas/Oakland are like an Algebra II class....... I knock the Yankees alot for being an older team but when there is one game to win and pressure is there for them and all teams to win for that matter, NY has a great make-up for it....I like Suzuki alot man I really hope they try to re-sign him for 1 year....
I never mentioned or claimed it was Fans only....written space to get eyes, listeners, or drum up callers, its same to me.
Dude it's Matsuzaka pitching it's a foregone conclusion that the Yankees will put up a few runs early. They can do that without bringing a bat to the plate. Such a bittersweet moment tonight with Dice-K pitching in his final Red Sox game ever.....
Jete, I, A-Rod, Cano, Swish, Tex, Grandy, Raul, Martin Thanks Joe......finally using your head here...
