You think every coach in the league would say "our passing game isn't operating at a high rate of effectiveness," like Joe Philbin did?
The quote addressed nothing about Ryan looking or not looking like a typical rookie. You’re taking a quote and putting meaning into it that wasn't there. It's your opinion and you're trying to pass it as Joe’s. You can have an effective passing game and still make some mistakes at QB. The coach also didn't say that if Tannehill played better we would have an effective passing game. The question is how much is on Tannehill, and the quote didn't address that. Even if it did the quote didn’t address whether that was typical of rookies or not. **edit** Which come to think of it means that isn't the question, just something that speaks to your point.
Now you’re just obfuscating. That isn't what was suggested, there is a reason that CK's post had a second paragraph.
Yeah, just about every coach in the league could say that right now, and when it comes to attribution they would all tend toward "everyone needs to play better".
The quote is relevant to the belief that what's keeping Tannehill from looking like an atypical rookie is his supporting cast. If one's belief is that Ryan Tannehill would be looking like an atypical rookie if he only had a better supporting cast, Philbin's quote speaks to that because it attributes blame for the ineffectiveness of the passing game to Tannehill himself and not just the supporting cast.
So you think a coach who had a rookie QB who was playing better than a typical rookie QB would come out in the media and say the rookie QB needs to play better? Seriously? Joe Philbin would be expecting that much from a rookie QB?
I took CK as saying that he was playing atypical now with the current supporting cast, and that changing it would make that even more apparent.
He said EVERYONE needs to play better. And yes, every single head coach in the NFL today would give that exact same answer about their pass offense when it's not working properly, regardless of whether their QB is a rookie or not. You want to talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill, you're turning cloud formations into cities in the sky on this one.
Well I'll await the analysis of the plays where Ryan Tannehill has played poorly despite the adequate play of everyone around him, which I suspect Joe Philbin has done. So far we have a one-sided one where the reverse was done.
I disagree. I think any head coach with any intelligence who believed a rookie QB was playing better than a typical rookie QB but suffering from the lack of an adequate supporting cast would pin the blame squarely on the supporting cast, if he spoke out about it in the media at all. I think it might sound something like, "we have a rookie quarterback who's been playing very well for us and well above our expectations; the guys around him need to step up for our passing game to be as effective as we'd like for it to be." This is all very simple. Philbin thinks the blame for the passing game falls on the shoulders of both Tannehill and his supporting cast. Tannehill isn't absolved of blame in his mind. Tannehill isn't a supporting cast away from looking like Dan Marino in 1983. Simple point.
There's nothing for it, I'm pretty sure you're dead wrong about this. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
