What's the point in moving a player for value and then turning around and negating it by forcing yourself to try and get a 1:1 replacement? I don't think there's anything at all that supports the idea that Richard Marshall is performing outside of the context of what Vontae Davis has or would be here. I don't know what you would characterize his performance as other than "good".
Teams have completed 58% of their passes against Marshall for 140 yards, and a 60.9 QB rating on passes directed at him. He's got an interception and three passes defended. Every single one of those stats is above average for a starting corner. Feel free to interject something besides LOL OK into the argument.
That's exactly what he is, an average to slightly above average starting CB. I'd say he's closer to the average side. I'd say he'd be somewhere between the 9th-12th best FS if he played safety.
How about his 34 yards worth of penalties, one of which gave the opposing team the ball 1st & Goal on the 1 yard line for an easy touchdown, for starters? How about the fact that he's directly let up 174 yards worth of offense in his direct coverage in only 2.5 games (since he missed half the Oakland game injured)? That's pacing for 1100+ yards in a season. He's also missed 1 out of 7 tries at a tackle which puts him 60th percentile for a corner. His yards per attempt allowed also puts him 70th percentile. And I don't know what percentile this is this year but I've evaluated this figure a lot and 1.76 yards per coverage snap is NOT good.
Not particularly good, but virtually all of that came on a single play and more than one in the Jets play was inappropriate replacement ref horse****. That's not nearly as bad as you're trying to extrapolate it out to. If you give him 174 yards "let up", he's what? Exactly middle of the road for a starting cornerback even without factoring in penalties on other players in Pro Football Focus? The 60th percentile? Wow, that's not a really clear attempt to obscure things. His two missed tackles puts him somewhere between 12th and 24th among starting tackles in the league. There isn't an eyeroll emote strong enough for this.
I think Amaya is one of those players that if a coach knows how to use him and he's at the point in his development where he can play to his instincts and strengths he could surprise. I actually don't have a problem with the Vontae trade. He wasn't part of the future and they brought in a player who might be. Marshall wouldn't have been my choice and I haven't changed my mind watching his play, but he hasn't been horrid. I can't say that VD would have been any better. Reality is that you're not going to hit on all of these. I saw that replacement as a reasonable attempt even if it ends up being wrong. If you make enough reasonable attempts and you're a decent scout you should hit enough of the time. I saw that trade as more logical than the Brandon Marshall trade where they clearly misread the market and couldn't bring in anything close to a reasonable attempt at a replacement.
I think at a certain point signing Amaya is a PR move by Ireland. It's roster churning, but has the added benefit of potentially reinforcing how cheaply Reggie Bush was acquired.
1100 yards in a season would be "middle of the road"? On what planet? Not a single CB in the NFL allowed 1100 yards receiving in 2011. Even if you just take his 140 yards in 2.5 games and extrapolate it that would make him the third most passed-on corner in the NFL in 2011. The facts are what they are. He's gone for 14 solo tackles and missed 2 of them. That percentage ranks lower half in the league right now and he has a negative PFF run support rating because of it.
Didn't replace players at significant positions that they had selected initially. Hard to move ahead taking one step forward , one sideways and one back.
Then why was he initially signed this season? Didn't our scouts and personnel people know he wasn't a fit after scouting him?
I thought Marshall was brought here to either be the third corner or the free safety. He's a decent player but is not starting material and not a shut down corner. I really think we need to explore a trade or sign one of these young guys either Alphonso Smith or Berry.
Where do you get the coverage snap totals? Do you calculate them yourself, or do you have a link to a website that has them?
That is exactly the thing that has turned me from being pro Ireland to mostly anti Ireland and has been my biggest complaint all along. Then you have blind fools here saying we did replace Davis and someone even said Stanford is just about as good as Davis. SMH.
For THIS season though, Marshall isn't replacing Davis. RJ Stanford is. After Davis was traded, the corner who ultimately filled the vacancy in the corner contingent was Stanford. That is a major step down in quality and ability. Had Marshall remained the starter and Davis remained the nickel, we'd be better off than we are now, with Carroll as the nickel and Wilson as the dime. Davis even with his initial struggles in Indy is playing better this season than Carroll is, at least according to PFF. Unless anyone here can honestly say they have went back and watched all of Davis' snaps in the 3 Indy games, any assertion to the contrary is hollow and meaningless.
Well so far it sure doesn't look to me like we replaced Vontae. Richard Marshall for the most part is getting dragged up and down the field and Sean Smith still isn't anything more than an average starter which means an average #2 corner. Nolan Carroll hasn't suddenly turned any corners and Jimmy Wilson is total Jekyll/Hyde.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Amaya part of the Reggie Bush trade? I always liked Amaya's game.
