What does illiteracy have to do with IQ or football intelligence? So, no, that's not pertinent to the discussion. What's next?... you gonna say Bo Jackson is stupid b/c he stutters?
What does illiteracy have to do with IQ? Well if youre a grown man and never learned how to read or write, id be willing to bet you have a low IQ. And if you read this discussion, you would have seen that it was dealing with Vontae not being able to be a good footbalk player because he had a low IQ. How a poster on here could know what his IQ is, is beyond me. so try to keep up. Btw, I pay guys like you to wash my used car. And every car is used after you buy it, Einstein. Have a good night sweetie
.... said the guy making assumptions about the illiterate person. You pay guys who find you annoying to wash your car? Better be careful for swirl marks..... or perhaps display a sense of pride in ownership and do it yourself.
lets hope its early. I'll be confused when we play them later this year. I mean if we lose to them our draft slot gets better... if we beat them their pick (our draft pick now) gets better. whatchagonnado?
No, I pay guys who suck at life, who think they are clever, but are really just idiots who never really amounted to anything in life to wash my car. Just to be clear, I said guys that suck at life, not you specifically, because that would be a personal attack, and I would never want to do that. And btw tough guy, the day I took this picture, I personally removed each wheel and hand polished them. I wouldnt trust that kind of intricate work to the aforementioned "guys". All I want to do, is talk about the Dolphins on this message board but you just have to keep prodding me. How about you keep you worthless and uneducated opinions to yourself when it comes to my posts?
I don't see how it has anything to do with Ireland. Ireland picked him and he traded him. I disagreed with Ireland when he picked him (I wanted Hakeem Nicks) and I agreed with Ireland when he traded him. My feeling then and now was that he was a player that was unlikely to get "it". I thought his tape showed a guy who skated by on his talent, didn't work on his craft and didn't progress. After his time here, I feel the same way. People here supporting the trade are probably doing so b/c they have been less impressed by his play than you have been. This has nothing to do with Ireland.
"So far, QBs have a perfect 158.3 rating throwing at Colts CB Vontae Davis. He's given up recs. on 10/11 targets for 143 yds. and 2 TDs." http://www.stampedeblue.com/2012/9/...-davis-is-kind-of-playing-like-poop-right-now
But thinking it was a good trade doesn't mean you have to be defending Ireland. It could just mean that you don't think VD has been or ever will be all that great. It could mean that you expected that we wouldn't even try to re-sign him after the season. It could mean that you feel the odds are decent that the draft picks we received will net better players. I don't even agree he's been our best CB during his time here. I think he's had games where he's been our best CB and games where he's been our worst. On balance, I would say that Smith has been better. I don't see the loss of VD as any big deal. I think that if he had been here this week we might have gotten great CB play out of him, but it's more likely we wouldn't have gotten any better CB play than we got. That's what most everybody has been talking about. Bringing up Ireland is a non-sequitor.
2 games doesn't make a season does it? He was our best corner over the past 3 seasons. That he started out slowly with his new team may help justify trading him in your mind. After all, Ireland can do no wrong as far as you're concerned. He did poorly against Chicago, but had a positive rating against Minnesota, but let's not talk about that because it doesn't support your anti-Davis stance. After calling him a step above a mentally ******ed person yesterday, you must have found this information on his ratings quite titillating. His PFF rating in week 2 was better than either Richard Marshall or Nolan Carroll.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Davis wasn't whom I wanted to draft at #25 in 2009. I wanted Connor Barwin. However, once we had him, he's been a solid corner for us and IMO, and in his PFF ratings over the past 3 seasons combined, he was our best corner. He helped give us good depth whether he was going to be the nickel or if he won back a starting job. He was on his rookie contract so his base salary shouldn't have been too high. Maybe my pov is too basic for some folks here, but I think the way to build a winning team is keep your good players and get more good players. Davis is a good player, even if he never makes it to 1 Pro Bowl. He was replaced by a player who is a marginal corner in comparison. Not even good enough to make the Panthers' roster. I fail to see how his being drafted and then being traded has no reflection on Ireland, since he was involved in both, but if that's your opinion, you are entitled to it.
Don't know if anyone has brought it up yet but where exactly was this great secondary play when Carson Palmer was throwing for 373 yards on us? News flash, that's not good secondary play. We gave up 20+ yard pass plays to 4 different players. The Raiders have speed but they're not one of the better offense in the league. If we're giving up 373 to them (and 266 to the Texans who aren't a high powered passing offense) it's a safe bet the better offense in the league would have a field day with our secondary. We've given up the second most pass yards in the NFL so far. So let's reel in the "great secondary play" talk for a while. I know the tendency of this message board is to over react positively AND negatively to the slightest thing but come on, it's very clear that we have an issue in the secondary.
It reflects on Ireland b/c he was involved in both, but basically in a neutral way. Liking or not liking the trade is mostly about what you think of VD. Personally, I find PFF's cumulative ratings to be almost meaningless and I've been saying that for years. IMO you build a team by getting good players that fit. It seemed pretty obvious that Philbin didn't see VD as a good fit. In fact, I would say that the trade is more of a reflection on Philbin than Ireland. I would call it a positive reflection. I do think that the negotiation we saw on Hard Knocks was a positive reflection on Ireland. What was the original offer, something like a 5th? Getting a 2nd+ for a CB you've demoted to third string and will probably let walk after the season is good negotiating. But personally, I didn't even consider any of that when I saw the thread title. I don't see VD as a big loss and I don't think he would have made much difference in this game.
Which is exacerbated by not having Davis on top of Marshall being injured, which lowers the overall talent of the CB corps. While the fellows who are happy he was traded delight in the fact that his overall ratings after 2 games is 3rd from the bottom among corners, his coverage rating as per PFF is better than Nolan Carroll's over the two games combined.
The trade was Ireland's decision, therefore it reflects on him and his ability as a GM. Simple as that as far as I'm concerned. He wasn't demoted to 3rd string. Since when is the nickel corner who plays about 60% of the snaps considered 3rd string? There is nothing I'm going to say to alter your opinion, and there is nothing you're going to say to alter mine. I did not like the trade. Ireland made it. So it reflects negatively on him. That's how I see it. You don't see it that way. Ok, fine.
On a screw up scale of 1 to 10, 1 being BJ Cunningham and 10 being Wanny's stint as GM, how would you rate the Vontae Trade?
Just curious: Hypothetically, would your opinion of Jeff Ireland's role in the trade change if Philbin and Coyle told Ireland they don't like Vontae, don't trust him, and would rather not have him on the field or in the locker room? If that happened, would the good GM keep the player and force the coaches to put up with him and bench him? Or would the good GM realize that whatever talent the player may have, it won't be realized here and better to get something for him while you can? I'm not saying that Philbin or coyle approached Ireland and said that, but from watching Hard Knocks I think it is plausible that one or both of them expressed sentiments to that effect, or at least had such sentiments.
That never happened. Philbin didn't go to him and say trade this guy, we can't work with him. Ryan Grigson called Ireland first. That's what got the ball rolling. If Grigson didn't raise the compensation to a 2nd, then IMO, Davis would still be in Miami. I don't care to play the what if game, the hypothetical game, or the rate it on a scale game. Thanks anyway.
Philbin and the coaching staff said enough when they put him below Sean Smith and Richard Marshall on the depth chart. HKs made it clear that Davis got over whatever his issues were. We saw Philbin say he was maturing. He was the third best corner in the opinion of the coaches, and I think we can reasonably believe that was almost entirely based on ability.
But we know more than them, so he was really the best corner on the team. Now, the question is, why aren't we trading that 2nd-round pick for some other team's third corner? What are we stupid?
