What is your impression of Jeff Ireland as a GM ?

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What is your impression of Jeff Ireland as a GM ?

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  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Saying you have a thread full of "proof" and actually having convincing proof are two different things, unfortunately. In this case, no matter how much you refer to some smoking gun evidence you have convincingly presented, the fact of the matter is you don't have it and you never have. In fact as part of the package of "evidence" you presented, was an admission that Jeff Ireland and Bill Parcells only ever disagreed on 1 or 2 moves. Out of hundreds.
     
  2. Fin D

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    There is no one that would do that of course, which is the why the contract proves nothing of consequence.
     
  3. ckparrothead

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    Who knows what the one move was that they disagreed on. Or maybe two moves. It wasn't Jake Long though. I can be about 99% confident of that based on evidence.
     
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    Which is just plain inaccurate.
     
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    I cant disagree with facts. You're right.

    But even if he did have the legal authority, IMO it wouldn't have been wise for Ireland to put his career on the line by crossing the man who gave him his big break. I think it would have been wise for Ireland to learn as much as he could and swallow his pride in cases where he disagreed. Maybe he did that, maybe he didn't. But he became the unquestioned head of personnel when Parcells left so that's what I'm judging him on.
     
  6. Section126

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    These are ALL facts born from an opinion:

    Before the offseason started, the Dolphins needed help at WR, and DB.

    The draft and FA happened and 1 move was made to improve the DB's. (Richard Marshall) None to improve the WR's.

    AT WR and DB, the best player at each position was jettisoned.

    They were not replaced.

    The positions are weaker now than when the offseason started.

    Some think this is not a big deal.

    Those that do are called "irrational" and "haters".
     
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    Depends, if a Wr develops this yr, or Armstrong returns to form, then it was handled.

    One of the problems in all of this is the assumption that how the team begins the year at those positions is how the team will finish the year.

    I don't buy into the "magic GM" stuff, they make mistakes like anyone else, if that is true, then fan GM's are in a far worse position.
     
  8. ToddPhin

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    That's not true at all; it hasn't been proven. You're making an assumption. All that was said is that Parcells had final say on the few times they disagreed, but that doesn't mean they were in full agreement during the times they didn't.
    A. There could've been a dozen times where Ireland conceded to where Parcells didn't need to throw his "final say" card.
    B. There could've been times where Ireland came to agreement despite it not being his primary choice.
    C. This is inherently flawed from the get-go considering Ireland was making decisions based on a coaching staff that wasn't his preference, which is quite significant. Just b/c Ireland might've agreed with Parcells regarding what best fits Henning's terrible offense, that doesn't mean he would've made those same decisions with a different HC and OC in mind, especially based on what we've seen the past 2 years.
     
  9. ToddPhin

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    You said Parcells had final say; I proved you wrong.
    If the 2 times they disagreed were about Sparano & Henning [to where Ireland wouldn't concede, forcing Parcells to use his "final say" card], then I'd say those would be 2 major instances that significantly affected the course of our team.... and this is quite possible considering Ireland was stated as wanting a different HC and considering the drastic difference between Henning and Philbin/Sherman/Daboll.

    If Ireland did agree with Parcells, it was b/c he was following Parcells' mold (as stated by Joe Rose), not his own, and he was fitting players to Parcells' coaches---Sparano & Henning and their system rather than his own. Analogously speaking, I could agree with you on what type of fish to buy for your Caribbean-themed dinner party, but that doesn't mean I want fish for dinner. I might want steak.
     
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