That happens to be how the vast majority of mentally ******ed people act, as well. I'm not saying he's mentally ******ed, but again, the way he acts could be a reflection of his intelligence.
Vontae got a 33 on the Wonderlic, which is pretty good. The wonderlic may or may not be a good predictor of football success, but as a general intelligence test it is my understanding that it is pretty decent. But you would know better than me.
Because I can base that opinion on his actions. The bathroom thing, showing up hungover, not being in shape, etc. You're basing his intelligence on what?
I've taken the test, there are versions online. I'd say it's a pretty good indicator of intelligence.
The same actions! [and others] He can be both immature and unintelligent. What I suspect is that he doesn't have the intelligence to overcome his immaturity like his brother does, because he doesn't have the cognitive wherewithal to appraise where he is in life, know how he got there, and know how to change it for the better. In other words, he doesn't have anywhere near as much of a capacity to learn from his behavior, and the capacity to learn is the very definition of intelligence. So when you're saying he won't "get it," you're talking about his intelligence.
And what makes you suspect this? What did Vernon show intelligence wise that would make anyone believe he had the ability to "get it"? This is all just seems like an attempt to justify the trading of a good player, at a position the Dolphins are now thin at.
Around the time Vince Young took the exam, the NFL severely beefed up their Wonderlic testing practices. They now commission the Wonderlic people to make a totally new test every year so that you can't just study a bunch of old copies of it and be reasonably assured of running into questions and answers you've already seen.
From what I recall, looking at Wonderlic tests, I thought it was a lame, flimsy test to be using in a billion dollar business.
It's just another tool for NFL teams to use in their evaluation. It's probably only going to confirm what you already knew, i.e Aaron Rodgers is really smart / Vince Young is a simpleton.
Hasn't helped me all that much. Here I am with my top 1/10th of 1% IQ, and I'm just killing time on a football forum for a multiple hours every day. You're telling me I cudda been somebody? I cudda been a contender?
There's something to be said for self gratification though. Could be just his form of masturbation. Can't just look at porn and manually stimulate the genitalia every day ya know. Well maybe younger folks still can.
I think what he's saying is that you can't be smart if you're on a football forum. Causation = Correlation.
None of us know his actual IQ though. If the Wonderlic is an indicator, as some have mentioned, a 33 score would correlate to a higher IQ than your guessing he has by listening to him speaking in public. The ability to stand before a crowd of strangers and wax eloquently is not a measure of IQ is it? Raymond Babbitt surely had a very high IQ, and putting him behind a podium in front of a group of reporters would have been disastrous IMO.
IMO, it appears to be part of the ongoing attempt to justify the trade of Davis as some stroke of masterful GM work by Ireland. If one were to say that Ireland had a hand in drafting Davis in the first place, well, oh no, that was all Parcells. Jeff was just fetching the Tuna's coffee and Winchell's Variety Dozen in those days.
Right, which is why the Jeff Ireland issue is a non-sequitur here. Ireland drafted him in the first round, and Ireland traded him. If you're defending Ireland, you've picked the wrong issue.
If one can paint circumstances where the trading of Davis seems more justified, how does that harm Ireland's record?
I think some people realize that our defensive game plan was to shut down their running back, AKA the only real threat on their offense. I'd much rather Palmer throw for 300 than McFadden run for 200. Hard to second guess that given the results.
Because nobody in the NFL was willing to pay for Vontae Davis what Jeff Ireland was willing to pay in 2009.
Houston is a run 1st team, although they can throw as well. I was thinking of New England when I mentioned that.
Of course they weren't. So, if conditions or circumstances can be created where Ireland was justified in trading him, and masterful in his ability to procure a 2nd and a 6th, that does not one thing to harm Ireland's record.
I'd call Houston a balanced offense. Bu they're passing attack is more dangerous b/c they can run the ball so effectively. My point is that while losing Vontae does hurt the secondary, no denying that, we don't play many passing teams this season. There are smart people with good POVs all over this place. It kinda sucks that every debate around here nowadays is framed as a pro-con discussion on Jeff Ireland.
Houston are very balanced and for the reasons you mention. My reason for putting it the way I did was because Houston wont spread teams out the way New England can/will. That's where our depth IMO, will be exposed. My POV is that I hated losing Davis. Ireland just happened to make that trade.
The discussion was about wether having a high IQ was indicative of being a good football player. I brought up Dexter Manley not being able to read and yet being a good football player. I think thats pretty pertinent to the discussion. You disagree?
yeah not sure the inability to read the back of a player's jersey has much to do with football or football IQ. You said it yourself--- Manley was a damn good football player; Vontae has been nothing more than an inconsistently good player, and not b/c he lacks talent. Why don't you go wash & wax that used vette and do some more soapsud angels on the hood.
