Daniel Thomas out for Sunday.

Well DT is perhaps immature , not professional and not exactly coachable , as is/was Vonte and Marshall ( varying degrees but deemed so by this team ) and were Ireland acquisitions , thus an ongoing pattern for him as a GM.

 

Then again, he could have had a couple of bad days.

DTrain has not shown durability, that is a fact, when healthy he has shown he can play at a high level.

As for Lamar Miller, hmm, let's see, what job does he do better then Bush? or Thigpen? Or Thomas?

None come to mind, thus he was inactive, that is known as good depth at the running back position, we look on the bench instead of Pat Cobb we have Lamar Miller, that is a good solution.

 

I'm starting to be inured to this news.

What WOULD be news is..

"Dolphins Thomas Says He Was Healthy All Season!!!"

 

passed test but wont play....

 

I dunno, because I've repeatedly said I don't know if Ireland is responsible for moves while Parcells was here. You don't know either.

I do think Thomas was a poor pick however as was Gates. In fact, outside of Pouncey who is showing flashes of Pro Bowl worthy talent, I'd say that whole draft was bad.

 

Curious, don't ya think?

"Yeah I know what the doctors said but you just sit this one out, rest and get yourself healthy"

...says the coach to the player that made him look foolish by fumbling the ball with 28 seconds left in the half on his own 30 yard line.

 

Whether Fat Bill had influence or demanded picks , we'll leave that , however Ireland is linked in some form to both and without doubt to Thomas. It does raise questions , which his critics have and are pointing out.

 

Linked by name and that's all we know.

I don't know if we've had a large amount of problem players or not. How many do other teams average?

 

And, considering the ridiculous 85 or 90% success rates of 1st round centers, do you consider Jeff Ireland's winning on the Pouncey pick to have been a particularly difficult feat?

 

No. I'm glad we have him though. I would hate for us to have missed another player and struck out on the pick we did make. I've said that draft looks pretty horrible, I think even you'd agree that Pouncey is a bright spot from that draft...no?

 

Absolutely. I just think he was low hanging fruit.

And I'm not convinced yet he's Nick Mangold level, but we'll see. This offense was made for him to look good.

 

Let's get back on point: Daniel Thomas is a bum.

 

A lot worse players than Watt have gone through Bush pass rushing like he was playing matador or something. I was questioning where shouright ever came up with the idea that Miller is worse at pass pro than Bush.

The only HB rated a worse blocker last season than Bush was Kregg Lumpkin, whom I doubt 80% of fans have ever heard of.

 

He has been extremely disappointing thus far and I don't think he is as good as Lamar Miller but I wouldn't give up on him *yet.* I would decrease his reps and increase Miller's. Who knows, though, maybe something will change and DT will turn it around. I sure as hell hope he does.

 

I guess so. But I would suggest that if successful picks can be tempered than so can poor picks.

 

In fairness to him, he averaged just over 100 yards per game in his first two games last year, with about a 5 yard average. He then went out with a hamstring injury and hamstrings have a way of lingering, especially if one tries to come back too soon from it. I know people criticize him for using it as an excuse last year, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a significant issue for him. Hamstring problems for a RB usually are.

 

Pouncey might have been low hanging fruit, but that's better than some of the rotten fruit that some people around here were pushing for. Mallett was heavily touted around here, but he has looked pretty bad in one of the best and most QB friendly offenses in the league. Mark Ingram was another popular choice and he's hardly been impressive. A lot of people liked Gabe Carimi, but Pouncey has been much better. Sometimes the safe pick is the best pick. You don't get extra points for creativity.

 

Or it could be in line with other players who have sat out even after having passed concussion tests as a way to err on the side of caution, especially when dealing with a matter that has become a lightning rod in recent seasons.

 

I agree, it should now be Miller time. Thomas can't seem to stay healthy and on the playing field. I just don't see Thomas being a long term answer as a RB for the Dolphins, so let's see what Miller can do.

 

Honestly, while I like the pick of Pouncey, had Ireland called me and asked who to take at 15 while otc, I'd have probably said Ryan Kerrigan. My theory at that point would have been to move Misi inside next to Dansby, (we didn't have Burnett yet), and had Wake and Kerrigan as the OLBs in the 3-4.

 

Kerrigan would have been a nice pick. But there would have been plenty of uproar in Dolfanland if we had taken another DL.

 

No, but based on the way some people portray Ireland, they would've put money on his selecting one of the 10 or 15% of 1st-round centers who aren't successes!

Again, this is why you need objective and systematic data across many GMs, so evidence to the contrary such as this can be added to a systematic investigation of his work overall in comparison to that of other GMs, rather than over-attributing meaning to it in isolation.

 

As long as we stuck to the 3-4, he'd have been an OLB.

 

So are you suggesting it is the very high success rate of first round centers that made Pouncey a bad pick? If so, that's pretty *** backwards. It is smart to play the percentages. The safe pick is often the good pick.

 

Maybe, although he seems like a natural 4-3 DE to me. I'm not sure he would have been a great OLB conversion.

 

I can understand the argument, that even a blind squirrel can find an acorn when the acorn is as easy to find as a 1st-round center, but if your argument is that Ireland is one of the worst GMs in the league, then the fact that he didn't pick one of the 10 or 15% of 1st-round centers who fail has to be viewed as contrary to your argument, not supportive of it.

 

As opposed to taking a C?

 

No linked by he was actually the GM , maybe the Teflon GM , but the GM none the less , he has responsibility whether you or anyone wants to protect him from some of that.

Problem players that were acquired for a substantial cost and then deemed to not be wanted and gotten rid of . If you feel you can't manage and coach them properly you should not expend that cost on these types of players consistently imo.

 

There are so many inaccuracies in your post, I honestly don't know where to start and since I'm a product of the MTV generation, I'm going to let my inherent apathy and laziness guide my next words:

Yawn.

 

Yes. We had a need at C. I don't think anyone disputed that. We had no real need on the DL and arguably played a defense that Kerrigan was not ideally suited for.

 

Guaranteed ... YAWN.

 

There was an uproar taking a C at 15 was the point.

 

That choice of Pouncey is going to be huge in Tannehill's development. Those gaping holes up the middle for Reggie Bush were paved in large part by Pouncey, which keeps this offense balanced and Tannehill from having to shoulder it.

 

Sounds like Jeff Ireland , safe pick is the best pick , no extra points on the scoreboard , no extra wins.

 

If that is the argument, then it is a ridiculous one. You don't get any points for degree of difficulty. There are no style points. The job is to acquire good players. If a top prospect is available at a position with a 85-90% first round success pick and that fills a need, then that is a damn smart pick. Yes, taking the 3rd round pick QB with drug use rumors in the first round would have had a high degree of difficulty, but that is precisely why it would have been a dumb pick.

 

Right, everthing he does, no matter how successful, is twisted into something negative.

This anti-Ireland camp gets less credible by the day.

 

And I think going defense again and using another first round pick on our strongest position would have created more of an uproar.

 

Have you seen any non-ridiculous anti-Ireland arguments?

 

So what was the brilliant, high risk pick that would have put points on the scoreboard? Only 2 offensive skill position players were taken in the first round after we took Pouncey. One was Ingram, who has been a big disappointment. The other was Jonathan Baldwin, who has done even less. We had BMarshall at the time so a WR was not a primary need. Dalton might have been a ice pick, but the gurus around here mocked the notion that he was even a 2nd round talent.