The Anti-Jeff Ireland Thread

I'm in a good mood today. Please, PLEASE, don't get me started on Ross.


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I don't believe Cowher or Harbaugh have total control over football operations. I'm not sure how relevant Shula is considering it was a different era. Belichick does have total control and is a legitimate example of success deriving from such a position.

 

i wasn't talking about Ross.

 

But Belichick had success before he was given total control, and it can be argued that he's still reaping the benefits of the success that was developed when he didn't have total control.

 

I think he's always had total control.

 

Two reasons we shouldn't: 1) it could be "out of the frying pan and into the fire" in that the other direction could represent a greater risk for failure than Ireland is generating at the moment, and 2) generally you want to be sure you've located the problem before you make a correction. You don't want to do "ready, fire, aim" in solving the problem and miss the mark because "maybe" Ireland is the problem.

 

They certainly didn't or don't answer to their respective GMs.

 

He was given total control back when all he had on his resume as a head coach at the NFL level was his performance with the Cleveland Browns?

 

Thats certainly debatable. I'm fairly certain their executives were hired before they were hired. But they absolutely answer to the Rooney's and Jed Yorke.

 

That makes no sense.

Better coaching could have got us 2-3 more wins the past few years. Then we're looking at 8-8 or 9-6 records while giving Henne requisite 3 years to see if he's the man. At that point no one is screaming for Ireland's head.

 

Correct. He brought Pioli with him, not the other way around.

 

So you're saying that coaches (and GMs) under Huizanga should have answered to Huizenga when Huizenga, by his own admission, didn't know a lick about football? Or are you saying that Huizenga should've hired an executive that did know a lick about football, like, uhm Bill Parcells?

 

I'm saying that the owner of the football team needs to be the highest authority. He can't hire someone to take the role. He did that with Parcells. Parcells was accountable to nobody. There is only one person in the organization that will have to live with the long-term ramifications of any decisions, and that is the owner.

By your own admission, Huizenga knew nothing about football. How in the world was he able to make a good decision on hiring Parcells then?

 

Which doesn't actually make sense when the owner is a football layman. I genuinely fail to understand what's so novel about to concept of giving authority to people who know what they're doing.

 

The best model IMO is an owner who has a trusted and expert consultant who provides advice on executive hires. The model with Ross and Peterson right now is a good one IMO. I'm not saying anything about Ross and Peterson's ability, per se, just that the model is a good one IMO.

 

I don't think this team is any further away from greatness than the Colts were when they went 3-13 with a rookie Peyton Manning and went 13-3 the next year. They had Marvin Harrison in the fold and drafted Edgerrin James the year they went 13-3.

This team has Reggie Bush and could easily sign or draft a playmaker at WR next year. I suspect the talent deficiencies you perceive elsewhere on the team are no greater than the ones the Colts had when they were 3-13 with a rookie quarterback.

This team is not in the crisis mode you're perceiving it's in IMO.

 

Peyton Manning's QB rating was 91 the year they went 13-3. I think it's entirely possible Tannehill performs at least that well next year.

 

Matt Moore's QB rating during the last nine games of last year was 97. I don't think it's as unlikely as you think.

Well if you consider that beside the point, it sounds like your mind is made up.

 

I don't think it's going to be possible to tease apart by year's end what's attributable to Ireland versus having a rookie QB. Again, the Colts went 3-13 with a rookie Peyton Manning, and again I suspect their talent deficiencies elsewhere were no lesser than the ones on this team.

 

Yea, because Parcells, and Randy Mueller before him had nothing to do with the mess we had on our roster. Let's be honest here, Ireland's only had one year running solo as GM. His first two years he was under Parcells' thumb, his third year under his influence and only last year was he on his own.

Now he has a first year head coach, a new OC a new DC and a starting rookie QB. Does he have a mess to clean up? Sure he does, but not all of this mess is his fault exclusively. One thing though that has the potential of this being a great team; with the overall youth of this team, the potential of a long term powerhouse could very well be being established right now...maybe

 

Vincent Jackson, for another.

 

Was it reported that we went after him but didn't have the money?