The Anti-Jeff Ireland Thread

You do fully understand that they inherited a 1-15 team, right? I mean, there are absolutely grounds that the team has not advanced enough given the time period, but what in the **** are you talking about?

 

"the product on the field speaks for itself"

What product ? week 1? is this just another "we lost the first game everybody panic" case ?

The past 4 seasons? Wasn't it obvious the coaching was insufficient ? Talent wasn't Insufficient. Qb perhaps. Under-developed though...?? definitely.

Last year ? Was that the product your referring to ? When we finished as one of the hottest teams in the league with Sparano/Bowles and Matt Moore ?


You guys keep trying to throw gas on the fire but it's coming out like shampoo or something... priceless !

 

You ask a question...then answer it with my point (which you fully know)...then ask me what I am talking about.

priceless.

If you know what I am talking about, why are you asking me what I am talking about?

 

Because what you are suggesting doesn't come close to matching up to reality. Not even a tiny bit. The outcome of Parcells being in charge wasn't a best case scenario and Sparano didn't live up to expectations and deserved to be fired... But holy **** are you delusional if you think what occurred was anything close to the worst case scenario and that we were somehow screwed.

 

Willis ....

 

so what was the "worst case scenario"? disbanding the franchise?

The reality is that I can point to a record and say that it sucks, and be right. You can't. The facts don't support you and suggest delusions on your end. Not mine.

 

Its been proven already. i'll repeat, Ireland worked FOR Parcells.

You guys need to get your heads around some things. You compare this to Harbaugh. Well, Harbaugh is in his second year coaching, we fired the coach that Parcells brought in.

So we have all last year and one effing game this year. Surely, you'll be willing to give Philbin the same amount of time Harbaugh had...no?

PS, Green Bay is 0-2 without Philbin.

 

I don't want to go all pragmatic here and ruin the hate, but who is out there who will do a better job and who is willing to come here?

 

I'd take the Head Scout from the Giants or Steelers or Green Bay.

 

Rishard Matthews! he is a fighter, he would never have let that pick happen, he goes after that ball

 

The second half was "is willing to come here." Guess we won't know until we ask. But if we fire Ireland and these guys you suggest aren't interested, I'll have to be hospitalized for embarrassment. There won't be enough paper bags at every Publix in the tri-county area to handle the headgear demand.

 

I'm fairly certain, $40-$50 mill, a crap ton of high picks and a potential franchise QB, and an owner with deep pockets and doesn't meddle is plenty of incentive.

 

I'd take any scout from any team that can actually spot talent.

 

Please be right, guys.

 

Another favorite trick is this whole "I'm still waiting for someone to put up a valid argument" thing, as if a year and a half and 5,000,000 words worth of arguments, evidence, points and counter points didn't happen. As if all the people who do not like Jeff Ireland have never explained why. Oh but just keep pretending they haven't said so, I'm sure someone...somewhere...will buy it. LMFAO.

 

and remember that I was one of the last holdouts....waiting to see what he did this offseason.

Then...I saw what he did this offseason.

 

And remember when I was "CK21" (or something along those lines) because I called this over a year ago?

 

It's hard to imagine any personnel man wanting to make a name for himself turning down $50 million in salary cap space and five of the first 90 picks in next year's draft. That's one hell of a way to kick off a GM career.

 

LOL, a witch hunt? Ireland is a **** gm and isnt exactly a decent person.
The facts keep hitting you people in the face and you choose to ignore it.
You will be turned sooner or later.

A well trained monkey can be a better GM than Ireland.

 

Seriously? If you want to say he is a horrible GM go ahead. Everyone has the right to an opinion, but let's keep personal stuff out of this. It's kind of uncalled for...we don't know what kind of person he is.

As far as a trained monkey....I'd rather have Ireland than Speilman or Mueller.

 

Seriously, that's an insult to trained monkeys world-wide.

 

Think about it medium hard.

Drafting like Dave Wannstedt, where you literally get little to no functional, starting quality players and then continuing to be the worst team in the league.

 

lmao.

 

No, it's not that people haven't explained why they don't like Ireland. They won't stop. It's just rarely anything more than poorly thought out scapegoating.

 

what you are saying is that Herpes is better than aids.

That is not an argument.

 

It is an argument, when people are saying herpes is aids. That's the problem here.

We can't have a real discussion, about the real issues because of all the exaggeration and emotionally charged insanity.

 

Scapegoating?

So he gets credit for every good move, no blame for every bad one.

Got it.

 

I think I found the problem.

Some here are happy to have herpes because it isn't aids.

How bout not having either?

 

You've moved on from scapegoating Ireland to scapegoating me. Absolutely amazing.

I'm willing to give Ireland credit for anything done when Parcells was here or none of it. It doesn't significantly change things.

What is essentially a .500 record is not even in the same ball park of any of the descriptions you've used. It's not good enough, but you cannot phrase what is virtually by definition average in the NFL as bad. I'm sorry, but you're flat wrong, and so are whatever nonsensical comparisons you'd like to throw out.

 

No that isn't the issue.

The issue is that we all want a better team, but some of us want to blow it up again, some don't and some want to make sure our assessments are correct before we do anything.

 

more strawmen.

Then you use a phrase such as "essentially a .500 record"

You are not only wrong, but you are now embracing meager competence as some type of badge to suggest that things are just fine and that there should be no complaints.

It's spin, it's bull****, and if nobody knew you, you would be accused of trolling.

 

This does not need to be blown up.

Ireland can be canned and the next GM can add to our good players.

 

I literally just said a couple of posts ago that the record was not good enough. There's literally no excuses for you to not understand that.

What am I wrong about? Is the average NFL record NOT .500? Is there some way that more wins than losses or the reverse can somehow get into the NFL schedule?

And I'd really suggest you go look up what a "straw man" means. It doesn't mean what you seem to think it does.

 

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/09/09/insider-parcells-poor-drafts-drained-dolphins

• “Is anyone going to give Bill Parcells a hard time for all the crappy picks he made in Miami? Is everyone afraid he is going to beat them up? I don’t know why it never gets addressed. He passed Matt Ryan for Jake Long and that’s fine, but what about everyone else? The cupboard is empty. It’s not just a lack of talent, though — you have to be able to work with the talent you have. I would have given up a (first-round pick) for Vontae Davis.”

Just trying to gather as much info as possible to make an accurate assessment at the end of year.

 

I know what a strawman is. It's what you just did again, in this post.

You like arguing against yourself. Thus the strawmen.

It's what you do.

 

BTW, don't use condescension with me by saying that I don't know what a term means, if you don't want me to be brutally honest with you.

 

This is like reading Flowers for Algernon all over again.

Or else you might insinuate you understand what the phrase means without actually demonstrating and then abandon your previous untenable positions?

Because I really don't know if I could handle that.

 

I'm not sure of the definition of being blown up.
I get it. Most should.