The Anti-Jeff Ireland Thread

Well this isn't true either, and you know it

Here's an example:
How about the fact that he traded Vontae Davis who has 9 INTs.

The other players in our Secondary that Ireland has drafted have a combined 8 INTs (Nolan Carrol, Reshad Jones, Chris Clemons, Sean Smith). Our Secondary consists of not a single player who has ball skills now that he traded Vontae.

It's not unlucky that we don't produce turnovers. There's a reason why. Jeff Ireland doesn't draft or acquire players that create turnovers.

Did you not see last night what a player like Tracey Porter can do for a defense? The impact that playmakers with ball skills have on a game!

 

yeah well... a lot of people have trouble "SEEING" the obvious.

 

The Jim Harbaugh era and the NON-Parcellian Irish era have been on the clock the same amount of time. Discuss.


Discuss why one team never got caught in the BS stigma of rebuilding. Was an instant contender, flip-flopped their roster in NO TIME, and now is a superbowl favorite! And the Niners were a dismal team, way worse than us, and less talented.

Now they have among the best O and D lines in the league, and are coached up all across the board.

They have Randy Moss - Crab Tree- Vernon Davis- Mario Manningham.

We have Hartline and Nanee and Fasano.

They are superbowl FAVORITES, and we are a JOKE.
We have an owner and GM who do not know how to hire the right people in this league.

Same amount of time...ITS INEXCUSABLE.

 

Or you will do what?

 

Vonate committed a boneheaded personal foul that put the Bears on Indy's 1 yesterday.......

Irish was right!!

 

Sounds like a rant thread to me folks.

What's it doing in this forum?

 

with frank gore on the team, pat willis, that wr core, that defense. disagree.

 

Karlos Dansby's salary is warranted though? Someone who is so dedicated he shows up 25 pounds overweight and is terrible for the first half of the season , and then isn't "healthy" for training camp this year and plays awful in the first game? Never hold our GM responsible , Teflon Jeff.

 

Since we're on the topic of the 49ers, they have a guy in Vernon Davis who was berated by his Head Coach for all the world to see. He was a guy with a lot of talent who was very immature. Instead of giving up on him and trading him for a high pick, they kept him, and and he's now an extremely valuable piece of their offense. I'm sure the 9ers are kicking themselves now for not trading him when they had the chance, because you can't win with guys like that.

 

I think there is absolutely grounds for criticizing Ireland on not picking up players who create turnovers. It's just that your post is wholly inadequate in that regard.

We're not left without a player with ball skills. Richard Marshall has more interceptions in the same time period than Davis did.

Also, I don't know what you're holding up Tracy Porter as an example of. It's been three years since he's had more than one interception in a season, and he's not a very good coverage corner to boot.

 

Maybe he's not a bum??

 

It's totally a rant... But it has me convinced.

Ross, fire Ireland so the whining on all the forums can finally stop until they find something else to b**** about.

 

Nuff said.

 

This is one thing that I'm concerned with, Isn't part if what makes a great coach the ability to motivate players with great talent and bad attitudes to become better men and better players. Now I understand there are some that just aren't worth it, do you think Marshall, Johnson and Davis fit that script?

 

By all means, I'd love to see a side by side comparison. The Ravens will certainly be better, but hell, it's something and that's a huge improvement from the level of discourse in this thread.

 

We were sitting on just as much talent when Singletary was coaching.

 

Talent dictates how a player is treated like it or not , JJ said this many times , Michael Irvin had a longer leash than the 6th wideout , Bill Parcells didn't cut LT's *** the way he would have other players. Some teams get positive production from challenging players , some teams don't.

 

Maybe he is better suited as an OC. Who knows. I don't think he is a good coach - it seemed way too often that he was in over his head here in Miami. It's a separate discussion though.

 

wr wise I disagree. te wise also disagree.qb wise probably about the same. I think we were a little bit better run game wise. st wise we sucked. I don't even think they've really churned over their roster. I know they've stacked it. Especially this last offseason.

 

Somebody said it on twitter and it is so true.....

Ireland traded a corner that got abused yesterday. Too bad he got abused by the wide receiver that he also traded.

 

As I've said before here, I honestly don't care about Brandon Marshall, or Vontae Davis, or anyone really; I care about production. If you wanna trade Brandon Marshall to sign Vincent Jackson or Pierre Garcon, fine. Go for it. I'll let you borrow my pen.

But to get rid of those guys for the sake of getting rid of them without a clear plan? That's my problem. And yeah, I know next year there's a lot of cap space yadda, yadda. But to go into a season with what we have at WR is just plain embarrassing, and even worse when you have a Rookie QB.

Davis, IMO, was definitely worth holding onto. Seemed to me like Ireland got googly-eyed over the words "Second Round Pick" and it clouded his judgement.

 

That guy sounds awesome. You don't happen to remember who it was, do you?

 

Some douche with one of those hipster twitter handles.

 

Maybe trading them to go into next year with all that space and those picks was the plan.

Our franchise has been in a drought since Shula was GM, because we've had to win this year.

 

I love that Braylon Edwards did better than or equal to (Bess, Hartline) every WR on our roster yesterday. Not that he's amazing, but with the sad state of our WR's he would have been an improvement. But he liked Naanee more...

Get rid of Marshall and replace him with nobody. Oh wait, OchoCinco, a guy who did nothing with Tom Brady throwing to him. That worked well.

 

The big turnaround for the 49ers in 2011 was the defense. The offense went from #24 in yardage ranking to #26 in yardage ranking, actually going down some. They went from 29 offensive touchdowns to 32 offensive touchdowns, which isn't a huge difference. The big difference was that they turned the ball over less on offense, and meanwhile on defense they went from forcing 22 turnovers in 2010 to forcing 38 turnovers in 2011, so it's no wonder they started kicking a bunch more field goals in 2011 as opposed to 2010.

As for the defensive turnaround, which was the big turnaround for that team, a number of key cogs in that defense were either acquired in 2011, or came to their starting positions due to key personnel departures in 2011. Carlos Rogers, Donte Whitner, Chris Culliver and Aldon Smith were all acquired in 2011. They combined for 3400+ snaps in 2011. They also made their mark on the portfolio of players by making some tough decisions on who they can allow to walk. They let Takeo Spikes walk, which showed confidence in 3rd round pick NaVorro Bowman. That was a positive decision, and a tough one because Takeo played well. The previous staff could well have decided Takeo was too good of a player to let walk, and NaVorro (one of the best young LBs in the game) then sits the bench another year. They let Manny Lawson and Travis LaBoy walk, which opened the door for them to draft a guy that could make an impact (Aldon Smith). That wasn't an easy call either, but it was a good one. They let Aubrayo Franklin walk, showing confidence in and vision for 4th round pick Isaac Sopoaga to move to nose tackle. That was a positive decision. They also let Nate Clements walk, which opponed the door for former 5th round pick rotational player Tarell Brown to start all year. Again, a tough but positive decision.

That front office definitely made its mark on the defensive side of the ball, and again that was the big source of the 49ers great turnaround. So I have to agree that when you think about the fact that Trent Baalke took over the 49ers at the same time that Bill Parcells left the Dolphins...those could be considered comparable situations, if you're one of those people that think Ireland didn't have any power until Parcells left.

 

Yes, you need to win in this league, or you lose you job. The best GMs seem to take less time restocking to get teams back into a competitive state. We are still "building for the future" or whatever years after Ireland's arrival (Parcells, blah blah), even though we have a rookie QB starting today that really could have used some help. The reality of the NFL is that if you don't win quickly, you are unemployed.

 

Problem is by getting rid of Vontae you've created another hole. CB wasn't an area that needed to be re-built.

Also, as I've said before I hate the idea of pinning everything on one offseason, because even the best GM's aren't gonna bat 1000 in one draft, let alone one like Ireland.

 

Yada yada yada....yeah, it was jeff ireland that batted those passes, that didn't teach the OL to keep the DL arms down, it was jeffy that couldn't get open, it was jeffy that hired Sparano, made Parcells quit, and by the way, Jeffy also recommended that Dave Wannstedt follow JJ....

Let's try another subject...

 

You know where you are right? Did jeffy make you open this thread?


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How though Irish has to know he is on the hot seat...has to....

How does he conscientiously do that heading into what seems to be his "make or break" year?

In order to do that, he has to trade away his talent for good picks, and take it on the chin for this year....it doesnt add up to me....

 

I knew it. There was no way that wasn't an act of deliberate sabotage

 

He's cleaning up Parcells mess.

 

He created Parcells mess

 

Prove it.


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He added to the Fat Fraud's mess.

 

Parcells took a crap on our franchise....Ireland stole all the toilet paper.

 

........ So you mated your pre-established Ireland rant thread and with a typical week 1 knee-jerk rant.......... creating ways to keep pushing the witch hunt.

Like disgustipate said...... we're still waiting. An article even ?

All of that was a rant where you exaggerate through your *** about how the roster has gone to **** because we replaced davis with marshall and a 2nd rounder, got off the Brandon Marshall crazy train for picks, yadda yadda. The Tannehill part was confusing, you talked in circles trying to avoid anything positive for the most part.

So creative... Looked like the same Dolphins defense(2ndary) to me. Less big plays over the top maybe? I know it's just one game, but you've already got this whole season figured out right ?

Cam cameron was the coach 5 years ago, lol. Ireland is basically just getting settled in now that Tuna left two years ago. No he hasn't been perfect.... we know that.