There are two topics: 1) the game, and 2) Tannehill's tipped passes issue. The game ended today. The tipped passes issue potentially goes on into the future. You can talk about what happened in the game without believing that Tannehill's tipped passes issue is going to cause the same sort of problem anywhere close to often in the future. That's the point I'm making.
I agree. Tannehill still needs to improve in certain areas, but he was playing his first NFL regular season game against one of the best defenses in the entire NFL. I think the game next week against a very mediocre Raiders should give a better example of where Tannehill is at this stage of his NFL career.
I'd bet if one could find the pct of tipped passes that are intercepted, compared to not tipped passes that are intercepted, that it is by far a higher pct of tipped passes. The tipped passes are a huge concern. Other teams will be doing the same thing, after seeing how the Texans handled the short drop quick pass plays.
Theres no denying he made some real nice plays - and a few should have been plays. A #1 type receiver catches that ball that Armstrong missed. Sure, a Brady probably makes that completion, but the highlight here is that you cant pin all blame on Thill. Rewatched the highlights a few times, and that first pick should have never been thrown - but Nannee looked to have no clue what was going on around him. Zero sense of awareness on that play from him. The other 2 picks/tips - the whole O just stands there - I expect our coaches to hammer them on those plays and showing some more heads up action. I have to believe the second could have been broken up / recovered, if nothing else. Finally, I'm a bit confused on some of the play calling - I expected some more playaction early or draw type plays when we were running down their throat without issue. There should have been some more rollouts at several points or SOMETHING to help get him out of that pocket when it was getting mauled. The holding call and the missed Armstrong throw were both 2 plays that killed drives when the momentum was completely on our side. The game could have gone very different at those points. It is what it is though. Looking forward to seeing how he answers back next week, all there is to say right now.
Perhaps you read MrClean's comments on the tipped passes above. It appears based on his comments that, tipped passes for Tannehill have been a problem for some time. If this is a fact, it is a problem that Tannehill and his coaches need to rectify immediately. I assume it will continue to be discussed until it isn;t a problem anymore. At his height, I would have to think that getting four balls tipped or blocked at the line of scrimmage is something the team certainly needs to be concerned with.
How about we actually play more than one game before we decide if the kid is the franchise QB or not. Wow. I saw plenty of good decisions, great pocket awareness and only the tipped passes being a problem, and a very correctable problem at that. He didn't look like the game was too fast for him. Naanee is garbage. Had to get that in there.
Did you the see the one that was as high a punt? I never even saw a pass tipped that high before! It was like the Texans guy should have called a fair catch.
Well, he was a QB at TAMU with Sherman for a season and a half, now they are together here, and the tipped passes have been a problem the entire time. How long do you think they plan to take to correct this?
That is the addled thinking, who wants to win ballgames, we are developing a Qb. As soon as I grasped that, what this season was going to be was fairly apparent.
It was still a tipped pass. Great effort by Cushing. Good game planning to be looking to do that when RT short sets. They are not some fluke thing though. They happened not just because Houston is a very good defense. All defenses have front 7 players capable of doing the same thing.
I never said it wasn't a problem at all. What I'm saying is that while it's a problem that certainly needs to be corrected, the problem will very rarely result in what it resulted in today, even if it isn't corrected.
You know, I just read that Houston led the NFL in batted passes last year. Interesting. It is something they specifically work on.
I am someone who did not want the Dolphins to draft Tannehill in the first round. They did, and now that he is the starting QB, I want him to have every opportunity to prove me wrong. I think he certainly has a pro caliber arm and I think he is very intelligent. He has some negatives in that he seems to stare down receivers and I think he is has a problem locating his secondary receivers right now. Of course he just played his first real game in the NFL, so he certainly has plenty of time to improve in these areas. He is also put into a situation where he has sub par personnel at WR and TE to throw the ball to. Bess is by far the best WR on the team and he would only be a 3rd receiver on the better teams in the NFL. Reggie Bush is probably Tannehill's next best option as a receiver, after Bess. The pass blocking of the OL is certainly not a major help to the development of Tannehill. I just hope Tannehill can survive this season without being seriously injured and mentally, I hope the fact that he is playing with receivers, who are below average at the NFL level, doesn't hinder his development as the year goes along. All I want from Tannehill this year is for him to be a better QB at the end of the year, then he is today. Hopefully by next year, he will have some solid talent around him on offense, and he can develop into the QB, we all hope he can be.
Exactly, but he does not have "elite" arm strength. I think I said he has 'enough' (ala; plenty) of arm, but he does not, by stretch of the imagination, have elite arm strength (like an Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Michael Vick, Jay Cutler). I said his arm is more in the class of a Matt Ryan (which is more than adequate).
If that is the case, perhaps the Dolphins coaching staff should have done a better job preparing the OL and Tannehill for a team that led the league in batted balls last year. I guess all the batted balls were the fault of the coaching staff. Wait that can't be, Sparano isn't here anymore. Instead he is now the OC of the Jets, who just happened to score the most points in the NFL today.
I blame Ireland for putting Tannehill into battle with no support. Imagine going into this season with Tannehill, bush, Marshall, johnson? We just have bush and Tannehill. He traded Marshall without finding someone to fill his spot and that is a problem. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Is there any chance that you could've not watched the game at all, seen the final score, and believed that to be the reason for it anyway?
I am watching the 49ers vs Packers and I haven't noticed any defenders even TRYING to tip a pass. It is clearly something Houston gameplans to do.
Yeah, but they had a reason to do it. It's much more a Tannehill issue than it is facing a good or studious defense.
The Redskins did it on consecutive passes against Drew Brees (albeit inside the 10 yd line) before he completed his next pass. Both tips/deflections were on quick hitting passes, which seemed to be a thing we were doing (not that all of RT's tips are that).
Is tipping a ball in a gameplan? I always thought that was the next thing to do when not generating pressure.
Ireland is a moron, Tannehill isnt ready and he'll be a journeyman at best. This season will put the kid's confidence in the gutter and it wont only be his fault obviously. Now take a gander over to the Redskins game today, is Rg3 worth 3 first round picks nah no way no way in hell... he's worth FIVE first round picks if the NFL would let me trade that many away. The Redskins were garbage a year ago, see the difference a great QB will do. He picked apart the Saints in loud *** New Orleans, so dont give me all this developmental bullcrap. Rg3 can do it, Cam Newton did it. Ireland you my friend are a ****** for passing up on that opportunity.
When passes get tipped at the line their odds of being picked off go way up. As long as he continues to so often take short sets and quick throws, just be ready for many more tipped passes. YMMV, but I consider it fortunate when a tipped pass falls harmlessly to the ground, rather than a fluke when it gets picked.
Overall it was good. But very up and down. One minute he looks like a future probowler, the next minute he looks like he doesn't belong. But that's just rookie growing pains. The batted down balls at the line is a huge concern for me. This has been an issue his entire QB career and it's not solely an offensive line problem as some would have you believe.
I'm not always impressed by the opinions of everyone who do watch any given game. It's not cool to accuse him of that, just because you do not agree with him.
I was hoping for a better game from him but in all honesty he played about as well as can be expected from a rookie starter with limited time playing the postion in totality. I think the two most important things we need to see from him is obviously improvement on the areas he struggled and his ability to maintain his level of confidence after things go wrong for him. I think its clearly looking like its going to be another long dreary season for Dolfans.
Ok genius how do you teach a guy to not stare down a receiver when he's been doing it his whole career at QB which has only been 19 games by the way. Go ahead i'll wait.
could our lack of talent at wr have something to do with the batted passes? We were clearly trying to run a quick-hit offense. the two batted INT's were 5 yard throws. we don't have big wr's that can get open easily ont heir own so we're trying to be finesse instead. Obviously Tannehill has an issue but I do believe coaching will fix it, as well as some footwork. Im actually pretty sold on Tannehill even with the 3 INT's today. They weren't bad decisions, just bad execution. Execution can be fixed.
When the pass rushers see a QB take a short set, they take it to mean a quick pass, so they know they cannot get to him for a sack in that case, so they do the next best thing, and stop their rush, get their arms up, perhaps time a jump, and try to tip or deflect the pass. In Sherman's offense, he has RT taking a high pct of short sets and quick passes, he seemed to do that at TAMU too. If you do a lot of that, you minimize their pass rush, but you open another can of worms possibly, at the same time.
you sit him down, show him the game film and work on it? He's a rookie. as you said, he onluy played 19 games at QB in college. IMO that's actually encouraging given some of the things he can already do pretty well.
When the blitz comes when the heat is on when things must get done he blatently stares down the receiver. Watch the game, pay attention and you see for yourself. In fact the CBS announcers were calling him out on it repeatedly. Listen i want him to succeed just as much as the next fan but the fact of the matter is that we could of been starting RG3 at QB right now and not taking a risk at pick #8 with a inexperienced QB.
Here was former Dolphins guard Keith Sims’ take on the Dolphins radio network: "When you have a young quarterback who to looks where he's going to throw …as an offensive lineman you almost have to do a play-action pass protection - kind of fire out into (the defensive lineman) lock into him and keep constant pressure on him. You're taught when a defensive linemen starts to jump you have to push on him, knock him down and you'll eliminate that pass technique." Class dismissed. Keith Sims knows more about this than any of you.
When a blitz is coming you don't have the time to go looking off WRs. You look for your hot guy and pass the ball. And this RG3 thing is ridiculous. We didn't have the weapons to move up to get him. This isn't Madden. Let the dead horse DIE.
