The Subtle Redefinition of the Miami Dolphins Player

You are using one instance to make a generalized statement.

Who on the Giants, Packers, Saints, Patriots, or Steelers ever caused a coach to quit or threw tantrums on the sidelines? Who are all these bad guys on today's winning teams?

 

You realize you just used an example of a team with talent and character to say character is overrated because a guy with bad character didn't stop the guys with good character.

 

Yeah, I meant more Deion than Irvin, though supposedly Irvin got caught up in a lot of Deion's beef with Aikman. Deion and Irvin were best friends, but obviously he was in a tough spot because of his relationship to his QB. This caused a lot of problems (though not on Game Days, of course)

My point is that FANS overrate this stuff. We love to find hidden meanings and reasons as to why are teams are either good, or in the Dolphins case, not so good. Some times the answer is as simple as the other team just has better players.

 

Since Jimmy Johnson this team hasn't given two runny ****s about character, and where precisely has that gotten us?

Maybe the guy with a recent Super Bowl ring that came from a team with nothing but solid character, might be on to something.

Nah. Can't be cause..Ireland.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/30/dolphins-coaches-found-brandon-marshall-difficult/

I think if he had better character, we never would have been able to trade for him in the first place. And I absolutely think the team would have had a better record. The offense would have been much more efficient simply because they wouldn't have been forcing the ball to Marshall.

 

How many examples do I need? I just showed you an instance of a guy, Deion, who could be considered a "cancer" yet it didn't matter. I've yet to see anyone here explain how the Dolphins would've performed better if Brandon Marshall wasn't such a bad guy. Conjecture, sure.

 

You just used the magic word; Talent.

 

I disagree. I think it would've looked a lot like the Bears game a couple years ago when Marshall was injured. This team doesn't have the talent to overcome a loss like that. Not yet anyway.

 

Also, mystery staffer. Like I said, conjecture.

 

You realize that Deion's best season with Dallas was a partial season, his first season, and that was the only season the Cowboys won anything with him on the team, right? He played for Dallas for 4 more years and during that time they won one playoff game.

 

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Talent was the key word.

Eff it, lets sign Pac Man and Rae Carruth. Cecil Collins was your favorite player I take it?

 

Look, I'm not saying let's draft like the Mid-2000's Bengals, but let's not be naive to think that only bringing in choir boys = Super Bowl.

 

Who said that?

 

Not saying that, of course there has to be a balance, but there probably needs to be an adjustment in the way these guys are screened and interview, I would suggest Philbin being involved in those interviews, need to find out sooner rather than later, that he's the right man.

 

This is a straw-man though. Nobody said they want choir boys. They just want guys that put the team first.

 

So they are made this up, when Marshall was still around? What would be the motivation to do such a thing? What else would explain Dorrell moving?

 

I'm saying it.

 

I've long ago stopped trying to rationalize the decisions of the Miami Dolphins front office.

 

So you're saying the FO moved Dorrell?

 

But did it affect their play?

 

How many SB's did they win after Deion played a full season?

 

So Dorrell decided on his own he was switching positions? I assume the GM has say in that, no?

 

Ah, so you're arguing with yourself publicly. Got it. Carry on.

 

What was their record before/after Deion?

 

You mean after the Super Bowl he won when he first got there?

 

I'm sure that Dorrell had a hand in it. Whether he needed GM approval or not is debatable. But I think it was his idea.

 

Nobody wants choir boys. What we are talking about are team-first winners. People who not only want the big money, but the ring and will do anything the coaches ask in order to get that ring. Hell, Walter Peyton, one of the best football players in NFL history failed to score a TD in his only Super Bowl appearance. Why? Because William "The Refridgerator" Perry was given the ball to go up the middle. Did you ever hear Peyton complain? Nope. Why? Because he got his ring.

That's the character I'm talking about.

 

In the middle of the year after the team already won and already had a cohesive unit? Sure. And once all the stuff you brought up started happening and really destroying chemistry, they lost even with...gasp....talent!!!!

 

The Cowboys had already won 2 Super Bowls by the time he arrived (IIRC). They would have gotten that third regardless of Deion, IMO.

 

I'm arguing that talent is more important than character.

 

Where is the character you're speaking of and why hasn't Jeff Ireland acquired it yet? Was character not in the Parcells blueprint?

 

I'd rethink your argument then, cause you're getting your *** handed to you by Phin & Stringer.

 

Well, golly let's see:

Nope it was not.

 

Ireland went off of Saprano's and Parcell's blueprint. He's following Philbin's advice now.

And Philbin, clearly, wants high character players. You know, like the ones over in Green Bay.

 

I don't think I am. Because I've never seen a team without talent win a the Super Bowl.

Some of you are suggesting that teams are winning on character alone, which is ridiculous.

 

Nice work pulling up the requirements for a QB, ace. Does a running back or WR need those same things?

 

Again, no one said that. That's the second thing you're arguing against that no one said.

I think I see a trend.

 

I've never, not once, seen an untalented NFL player.

So no, we are not saying that only character wins. Character is what seperates the best from the good, however.

 

Except that someone said the Pats didn't have great players. I made an alt account and typed that up.