16.5 Million in Dead Cap Space

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  1. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    My question is what decade will Matt Roth get off the dead cap money list
     
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  2. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy


    All I know for sure is that Marshall, Davis and Bell are getting paid close to $9M from the Dolphins to play for other teams and I'm not convinced any those positions were upgraded in the process.
     
  3. MAFishFan

    MAFishFan Team Tannehill

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    matt roth...holy jesus...is he the nfl version of "theo ratliff's expiring contract" can't believe it took 5! pages of this forum for someone to look and say "matt effing roth is still getting paid by the Dolphins" geezlouise this team is bizarro
     
  4. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    I understand how wiaved or cut or PS squad players create dead $ and cap.....but how does a Traded player create it? Doesnt the traded team take over the contract in full (unless its part of the trade like in MLB where the original team pays part of the contract, etc)....is the dead cap part of the bonus or something else?

    In NFL terms, how does traded players equate to deadcap and why does it apprear to be spread for several years vs just lump sum dead cap for only the year traded???
     
  5. Laces Out

    Laces Out Well-Known Member

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    From what I understand, dead money from trades are due to either bonuses paid or advances in salary(remember, this was a point of contention in the Tebow trade as he took almost a $9mil advance on his pay). The CBA rules allow teams to roll the cap hit into no more than two years to ease the burden of the dead money.
     
  6. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Two years max??? How is Roth still listed then?
     
  7. Laces Out

    Laces Out Well-Known Member

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    Bonus proration? The rules changed around the time he was released/traded. Cap hits are dependent upon June 1 of the year. It a move is done before 1 June it counts toward the previous year, if not it goes to the next year. 08-09 is where it all got hairy with the uncapped year. That could account for it.
     
  8. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Do you think that this was factored into Philbin's thinking when Brandon Marshall was traded? Must have been, but this has to be added to the true cost of letting Marshall go. We now have no #1 receiver and a cap albatross that hinders us in getting another one.

    This season, anyway. Do Marshall and Carey drop off the cap next season?
     
  9. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Luckily, yes. A ton of cap is freed up next season. It will arguably be the most important offseason since Marino retired.
     
  10. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Meaning that, regardless how outrageous everyone thinks it is to "abandon the season" by going with the personnel we have rather than bringing in outside help, it's the way to go.

    We stockpile the draft picks we've obtained, we school up the present roster with game experience, we achieve a horrible record that will permit us to draft at the top of the order, and we use the cap room to be active in free agency.

    If the plan is "ruined" by our winning a bunch of games, we're just moving forward by another route.

    We are in a no-lose situation if we're just patient.
     
  11. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    The only downside is that putting it all on one offseason is a huge gamble. You'd prefer it if they got a couple of pieces this year, a few big ones next year, and so on. We'll likely get a Top 5 pick barring some sort of miracle run and/or luck, so I wouldn't worry about that. But I'm definitely worried about next offseason if "you know who" is still here.
     
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  12. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Having lots of picks next year could net us future picks by way of other teams wanting to move up, so that may happen.
     
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  13. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Which I wouldn't be in favor of, unless someone was looking to trade up for a QB. That's the ONLY way I trade down.
     
  14. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Matt Roth is the walking dead of our cap space..:lol:

    Yep, this is going to be a rough yr folks.
     
  15. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Im not even sure how someone could argue any of those positions are better. Because they are not. Plain and simple.
     
  16. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    You mean like a franchise QB of the future, starting right tackle with the potential to be quite good as he develops, Bush's future replacement, potential Pro Bowl fullback whom Philbin said might be better than any he's ever had (which includes NFL's Top 100 John Kuhn), pass catching TE of the future, potential solid future #3 receiver (Matthews), both backup DEs (Vernon & Shelby), backup center (Samuda), backup DT (Randall), PR/KR (Thigpen), upgraded vertical threat (Armstrong).

    I'd say those are more than a few pieces.

    IMO it's incredibly wise to give this young team a year to grow up under coach Philbin so that we'll have a better idea of exactly how our FA money should be spent.
     
  17. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I'd trade down if there isn't a dominant player available at a position of need (DE, S, WR).
     
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