Stallworth being brought in today for a workout...

I'm sure it's already been offered and turned down. Pitt won't let him go this year. They are probably shooting for the moon when teams ask and it kills deals right there (ie: 2 firsts).

 

I think they're just waiting for someone desperate enough to offer them the moon. Hey, I know of at least one team that might be

 

The most I see Jeff offering is the same we did for Marshall. I doubt the Steelers take that. They really want to resolve the issue with Wallace on their own terms.

 

I really don't see any evidence that they're thinking like that. I think they genuinely view Ryan Tannehill as NOT a rookie, and probably the best guy for the job. They know he's got the best arm, they know he's the most mobile, and those things actually go a long way with players because they respect talent. But what they see aside from the talent is just that the guy knows the offense and is able to be out there essentially bossing everyone around and changing plays like he's been there for years. Once Garrard got hurt I think most of the locker room viewed Tannehill as not only the guy that will probably get the job, but the guy that should get the job. They see Moore struggling out there in preseason.

I really don't see anyone getting up in arms about the backup QB being traded off. From the players' perspective, he's not supposed to play this year. Tannehill is the guy. And I think they've taken notice of Pat Devlin too.

 

Absolutely despise being in this position, raking through cast offs hoping to find something not out of a sense of bargain performance, but out of a sense of NEED.

Interesting, does:

-Rosenhaus rep Stallworth?
-He plays Flanker/outside Wr, does this tell us something about Hartline?

I'd personally prefer just going with the youngsters.

 

Well lets hope Ireland pulls off a 2008 here and finds us a Nate Garner type at WR in the waivers and makes a WR like Fasano trade.

 

Serious question. And maybe none of y'all are in position to know this but maybe some of you are. Maybe I should just be asking myself this question.

But which WR could we get in the Draft next year that will be better than Mike Wallace?

Marquise Lee isn't available in this Draft. Nor Sammy Watkins.

We're talking about some GOOD players, but are they better than Mike Wallace? Keenan Allen, Marquess Wilson are my two best. Justin Hunter is a consideration. Robert Woods is a consideration.

Of the top guys the only one that has the kind of physically impressive build is Keenan Allen. Justin Hunter is tall but skinny as heck, which may or may not have contributed to his injury last year. What I'm getting at with the build is that yeah there will be impressive receivers, but not any Calvin Johnsons or any Andre Johnsons. And if that's the case, is Mike Wallace more valuable than whoever we could draft?

 

Added to that Ck, would it be better just to stick Clyde Gates out on the field see what he has?

I don't value draft picks to highly, I do value opportunites and salary cap space, we need some good young Wr's who work cheap.

 

Another Black Cloud player who can't play.

 

Promise to wear a Georgia jersey and do that at all home games please if we sign him

 

That's a ridiculous statement and extremely convenient of you to lump in those who understood why Marshall was traded as "Marshall haters".
Marshall was probably my favorite player on the team, but it doesn't take a genius to understand that he created conflict, and it likely wouldn't have gotten better in an offense that would drop his reception opportunities way down. Mr 100Catches would've been lucky to grab 70 passes, just as Jordy Nelson & Greg Jennings caught no more than 70 last year. Sorry, but getting his trash talking away from the ear of our 1st round franchise QB was a smart move. Plus, this needs to be Tannehill's team, not Marshall's.

 

That's a good point. Let's say that WR is arguably our biggest position of need going into next offseason. Why not offer a first round pick for Wallace? As you just said there probably isn't going to be anybody better. There is a possibility we could take one with the first next year anyway so in essence you'd be getting production this year from next year's pick. That is assuming the Steelers will take a first at this point in time.

 

Agree with all of that. I think there's certainly other areas (pass-rush, secondary) that Miami could use high draft picks on next year in lieu of wide receiver. Grabbing a David Amerson or Alex Okafor sounds better to me than any of the above mentioned receivers.

 

As a gator fan, thank you.

 

yes, but he would also cost $40 million more. So the one side you get a guaranteed massive stud like Wallace; on the other side you could get a great WR and have $40 million left over to pursue another target as well.

 

He was barely over the legal limit, hit some guy while going the speed limit, and the guy was illegally crossing and pretty much ran out in front of his car. Lets not act like he ran a red light while hammered here.

This guy isnt Leonard Little

 

plus you'd get Wallace now....... that's a hard call.

 

CK, are there any big name FAs you can think of who would make that $40.0M savings significant?

 

Depends where the Dolphins pick. I think it's clear Wallace will make about $10 million a year. If the Dolphins were picking #4 overall and looking at Keenan Allen, for example...then the Dolphins would be paying $5 million a year for his services.

So the questions would be...would Mike Wallace be better from 2013 to 2016 than Keenan Allen, and is it $5 million a year better.

 

Knew it had to happen!

 

I think we have to put Wallace up against a top ten pick, maybe higher, so, I might take a different player at a different position in next years draft, so this year, because of where we will be drafting, I would say no.

I can address receiver in free agency, and get someone at the early two.

I worry about Marquess Wilson's size a bit..he goes down pretty easy.

 

Dwayne Bowe and Mike Wallace are both potentially free agents next off season.

 

Barely over the legal limit? That makes it ok? are you saying this cause its gonna be your rationale for Ireland signing him, if he does? Im just trying to figure out if you're an Ireland apologist.

 

Exactly. Anyone who has ever driven after drinking and is casting stones at Stallworth now is a no good hypocrite sh!theel because you could have accidentally killed someone too and just damned lucky you didn't. And if you are a goody goody tea totaler who have never drank booze and driven, then you probably have some other faults that are just as bad.
Stallworth maybe not worth signing from a talent standpoint, but the DUI is not part of reason he shouldn't be, if he isn't

 

The legal limit in Florida is .08. Stallworth blew a .126.

Juuuuuuuuuuuuuust barely over.

 

I don't drink at all *looking for stone*

 

I don't have a strong opinion of Ireland one way or another. I like some moves don't like others (Vontae).

 

I'd feel much better about it if it were for a 2nd & 3rd than our 1st..... and still give a 4th for Jones.

 

The question also needs to be; what guy(s) will you have on your team in 2013-2016 because you are with one (or two) less picks?

There is a lot to be said for - and I think this goes largely unnoticed - planning the composition of your team in the future. For every big contract you give out, you essentially need to counteract it with having draft picks be contributors. So when you are trading for a guy like Wallace, it doubles the pressure - you lose one of those opportunities for a draft-pick-contributor, while you simultaneously increase the need for them because of the large contract.

And thats not to say I'm against trading for Wallace. IMO he is a top-5 WR. But I think we need to look at all of the ramifications. The Brandon Marshall trade was great in theory, but in practice it forced us to trade down to get picks back. We traded back because we needed to find extra guys that could actually see the field. You can say that we should have stayed where we were, but where would this team be without Koa Misi or Odrick? Would we have Shelby as a starter? Misi is not a great player, but I'm not sure we could go on the street and find a guy that will play to his level right now. Usually when you see bad teams in this league, its not because they are lacking stars, but also because they are starting guys that don't deserve to be NFL starters.

 

Any other FAs at positions of need we could use that money toward in case we used our 1st on WR (I like Hunter if he's back to 100%)?

 

I would trade a 3rd for Jones and not consider it overpaying. He is a proven NFL WR and of all the WRs drafted in the 3rd round over the past 5-10 years, I doubt 50% of them have turned out any better. I think it is essential for accelerating Tannehill's development that he has good receivers to throw to this season.

 

we are assuming that we'd use the first round pick on a WR. We could legitimately end up with 2nd or 3rd pick in next years draft. the BPA might be at DE, or we could use it to trade down a few spots, nab a safety or WR there. If I'm negotiating with Pittsburgh, it's to give them our 2nd (which is likely in low 30s) and maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder.

 

Everyone has mentioned it , including Ireland , this is in BUILD mode , not rebuild or tweak mode. Saying that we have to make the most astute and prudent use of our assets and we do have significant ones coming up .

The points being brought up are very relevant , high pick , what FA's are out there , getting a player a year ahead of time and cost. My thoughts without delving deeply into it , I would not trade what could be a very high number one and spend 10 million on him. Go after him or Bowe next year for no draft picks , or use the draft and use the cash on another , also needed position.

However , we need playmakers that produce , and he does do that , however we aren't winning this year with him and I would bite the bullet , at that price personally.

 

Ok, I went back through 2006, looking at 3rd round WRs. You can decide if half of these guys, or whatever pct are better than James Jones, which would perhaps give an idea the likelihood of drafting a better WR in next year's 3rd round, if we saved the pick and didn't trade it for Jones

2012
DeVier Posey WR Ohio State
T. J. Graham WR NC State
Mohamed Sanu WR Rutgers
T. Y. Hilton WR Florida International

2011
Austin Pettis WR Boise State
Leonard Hankerson WR Miami (FL)
Vincent Brown WR San Diego State
Jerrel Jernigan WR Troy

2010
Damian Williams WR USC
Brandon LaFell WR LSU
Emmanuel Sanders WR SMU
Jordan Shipley WR Texas
Eric Decker WR Minnesota
Andre Roberts WR The Citadel
Armanti Edwards WR Appalachian State
Taylor Price WR Ohio

2009
Derrick Williams WR Penn State
Brandon Tate WR North Carolina
Mike Wallace WR Ole Miss
Ramses Barden WR Cal Poly
Patrick Turner WR USC
Deon Butler WR Penn State

2008
Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt
Early Doucet WR LSU
Harry Douglas WR Louisville
Mario Manningham WR Michigan
Andre Caldwell WR Florida

2007
Jacoby Jones WR Lane
Yamon Figurs WR Kansas State
Laurent Robinson WR Illinois State
James Jones WR San Jose State
Mike Sims-Walker WR Central Florida
Paul Williams WR Fresno State
Johnnie Lee Higgins WR UTEP

2006
Travis Wilson WR Oklahoma
Derek Hagan WR Arizona State
Brandon Williams WR Wisconsin
Maurice Stovall WR Notre Dame
Willie Reid WR Florida State

 

Great thoughts. I think you mitigate acquiring Wallace by trading Starks to lower your salaries, letting Kheeston Randall back-up Soliai and Odrick inside. Of course, that leaves a hole at LE. But I don;t think Odrick does anything for us there anyways. If you just want run defense there (all Odrick really can do), then pick up a guy off the upcoming cuts, or you can develop Vernon and leave him out there 24/7.

Either way, you get a HUGE WR upgrade, and mitigate the costs.

 

Fellas, why do we do this to ourselves?

I'd much rather make do with what we have then to dig around for scraps, this is where we are at.

 

It's a 50/50 crapshoot... which means it depends on if your GM is good or not.

YEEHAW!