While discussing Vontae, Mr. Clean used an example of Michael Irvin partying all night but still showing up to take care of business at practice and on gameday. That reminded me the Jimmy Johnson has admitted he let Irvin get away with more, and gave him special treatment. I think that includes turning a blind eye on stuff like possible drug use (cocaine will get you up for playing on no sleep, for example). Jimmy was against us dropping Vontae, and CJ from what I've gathered. I think JJ tolerates some misbehaviour in order to win. Thus, he has rings. But is that *necessary* to win rings? That made me think of Belicheat. Another guy who does not 'do the right thing', and has rings. Joe Philbin seems like a man of integrity. Verging on a goody-goody, like an 1800's school master teaching you to tie your shoes. Can a goody-goody coach win a championship with todays athletes and against coaches who are willing to bend morality to field more talent, or to get competitive advantages?
I don't think he's going to be making roster decisions based on how proper or well-mannered these guys are. I think if they approach their job professionally and represent the organization well, the rest isn't going to matter.
He canned one guy for getting arrested because of spousal abuse and all of a sudden he's a goody goody?
I haven't seen anything that indicates Philbin is much of a goody-goody. I think all Philbin is looking for are guys that approach the game seriously and take responsibility for themselves.
I think it's clear he is at the opposite end of the spectrum from some coaches who turn a blind eye to morality, or even misbehavior on the job.
I have. He seems to shake his head at anything your gradnmother wouldn't have found appropriate. lol. Not to impugn your grandmother. I'm sure she was a fine woman.... unlike your mother. JOKING!!!
Tomlin, Coughlin, Mccarthy, Belichek... all run a tight ship and don't tolerate or get rid of diva's.
Vontae Davis didn't do anything deemed immoral or indecent to be sent packing. Just seemed like it was performance/professionalism e.g. reporting out of shape, practice habits, etc. And that's sort of been the track with his career (came to work smelling of booze (deactivated), fight with Brandon Marshall). As Sam Madison noted, that's a very young group and he wasn't showing good leadership or setting the best example. Again, I think a lot is being made of very little in this regard. All of these guys had questions regarding attitude and/or professionalism. And now there really isn't that many of them left. This is a new coach trying to get 'his' system in place. He has no track record. A place like New England can take questionable characters in because the coach's foundation is concrete and the locker room solid. Guys sign up and behave because they want to be part of the (winning) program. The locker room polices itself. Remember, Belichick gutted the roster and went 5-11 his first season. He laid the foundation. That's the ultimate success story of course. But I don't think an aversion to nonsense is a problem here right now. The problem appears to be a lack of talent on the field.
I have absolute faith in Philbin's abilities to do it on the X's and O's side... I do not have faith in him in regards to being a leader of men. I really wish I did, but I don't like his demenor or communication skills... 2 very important keys to being a strong leader IMO.
So, him shaking his head like a disappointed father at the rookie that got a ***** shaved in his head wasn't goody-goody? Didn't laugh, didn't smirk, didn't roll his eyes. He looked generally annoyed at that. This is an NFL locker room were talking about...
I think it is possible for a "clean" coach to win championships. I believe you have to take a stand and believe in what you are trying to sell the team on, and the rest should take care of itself. I'm not saying it will be easy or its guaranteed, but I no doubt think it is possible.
Philbin stikes me as very reserved, not goody good. I've been very impressed with his demeanor and straight forwardness. You can tell he has really gotten his legs underneath him since his introduction press conference where you could tell he was still in mourning. He appears to be getting stronger and I for one am excited to watch his growth as head coach of our team.
I'm not sure why Joe Philbin is a "clean" coach. People are acting as if he's a humorless, sanctimonious douchebag like Tony Dungy. I don't think that's really the case. There's virtually no "successful" coach that would tolerate the stuff that got Vontae Davis, Brandon Marshall, and Chad Johnson traded or cut. Please, someone by all means respond if you think Bill Belichick, Tom Coughlin, Tony Dungy, or Mike McCarthy would tolerate wife-beating or laziness and immaturity from an underachieving player? Would Sean Payton? Maybe, but the only real example is dealing with Jeremy Shockey, and Tom Coughlin was able to co-exist nearly the same amount of time with him so I'm not sure that works. Would Mike Tomlin? Maybe, he's got bigger scumbags on his team than most, but for the most part it's "on the field" misbehavior, or a situation in which he couldn't touch(His star quarterback). There's very little I hate more than old people tisk-tisking the state of moral decay ever since football stopped predominately played by white, God-fearing ex-military men with crew-cuts, but this isn't the same thing. This is a coach instilling discipline on a team that needs it.
For me, the picture rounded out with the tsk-tsk at the ***** hairdo, and the shoelaces, and the gum wrapper on the ground, and with Tannehills shoelaces again. And that's in, what, 10 days? Safe to say he's not a guy I'd want as my roommate. Lol. But that's not to say he can't be a great football coach. That's what I'm exploring. The correlation or lack of correlation between fully-starched tightly-whitey briefs and winning championships in the modern era.
Oh and I forgot him asking Jeff Ireland the second he got a chance whether the rookie show was clean or not. "I mean I know it's probably wasn't clean, but was it clean?" What is this guy's obsession with clean? First of all the rookie show's not really for him, its for thenplayers and however they enjoy it other than hookers and blow obviously. Why is the *first* question not "did the guys enjoy it" or anything other than how appropriate and clean it was? Did this guy just jump right out of the American Gothic painting yesterday and start coaching the team?? He is so uptight. Wouldn't surprise me if he was OCD. Seriously.
Tom Landry, Don Shula, Joe Gibbs, Tony Dungy, Bill Walsh, George siefert, Mike McCarthy, Tom Coughlin..... Do I need to go on?
Apparently, Lovie Smith is ok with Brandon Marshall and whatever baggage he brings. He's somewhat credible I guess. Chuck Pagano is a rookie head coach, so I guess his approval of Davis means little, but he was a very successful DC whom several folks here were hoping we'd hire as head coach when the process began.
That is who he looks like. I couldn't place it, but that's him if you just add some bib overalls and a pitchfork.
