Hard Knocks: One Shrink's View

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  1. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    I think its quite clear that he's deviated philosophically from Parcells. It's also been discussed on this website numerous times and discussed accurately at that. Feel free to go through older posts.
     
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  2. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

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    I agree. I think it is better for the Head Coach to have an Eisenhower type of demeanor. Jim Turner can play the role of the George Patton type.
     
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  3. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    The cool thing too is that Philbin seems to understand the "people" part of all this too. It's not just 53 robots out there to him. He has a dinner for the coaches and their wives and stands up and speaks and tells them they're all in this together, wives and significant others included. That's how you have your people bond together in working with you. Not all coaches understand that. They emphasize the football stuff and forget about the people stuff.
     
  4. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    Speak softly and carry a big stick. ;)

    I think we saw that when the Hard Knocks guy asked Philbin if Chad Johnson's unprofessional press conference was the kind of thing that could affect his standing on the team, and Philbin said "absolutely."
     
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  5. djphinfan

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    He didn't look introverted to me on the field at all, seemed tough, boisterous, and demanding..

    Its good to hear docs take on this stuff, he's usually right when it comes to this, leadership projection, etc.
     
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  6. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    I think he's just not an overly demonstrative kind of guy. He's not a Rex Ryan type, that's for sure. But neither is Bill Belichick, nor was Bill Walsh. What you want IMO is a guy who can stand his ground with the players without having to blow himself up larger than life to do that. You should be able to be assertive and create the kind of culture you want on your team without becoming some caricature of a human. There's no reason why some normal, down-to-earth guy, who's also a straight-shooter, shouldn't be able to do that.
     
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  7. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    exactly.
    Philbin has that scary soft-spoken calmness about him where you're almost afraid to disappoint him b/c you don't want to be the guy to find out what the non-calm Philbin is all about. IMO you can hear and see the confidence and strong presence behind his calmness, and I think players can sense that which is all that matters in my eyes. It's like anything, when a person can remain calm under pressure or sensitive situations rather than going ape-s***, others usually take notice.
     
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  8. ToddPhin

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    probably not too popular among the wives I'm assuming. :lol:
     
  9. MikeHoncho

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    Sounds a lot better than gold diggers.
     
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  10. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    There you go. Very well said.

    And that's also what distinguishes him from Cam Cameron.

    With Cameron you had a milquetoast guy without the inner strength you mentioned. With Sparano I think you had a guy who felt like he had to show too much of a strong presence outwardly, and it came off as cartoonish IMO.
     
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  11. Pandarilla

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    Fish and Quips...
     
  12. ToddPhin

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    Sorry, I was referring to the "girlfriends" aspect of that acronym not being too popular among the wives. lol.
     
  13. MrClean

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    I like Philbin's speaking style much better than someone like Rex Ryan. When he was on Hard Knocks his liberal use of the word fvck when talking to his team makes Chad's media session seem like that of a choir boy in comparison.
     
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  14. MrClean

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    Sort of a Ward Cleaver type of coach. Calm, assured confidence. The players are a variety of either Wally, the Beaver, Eddie Haskell, Lumpy Rutherford or Larry Mondello. ;)
     
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  15. djphinfan

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    A gross display..
     
  16. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure what's worse, your implication that I'm ignorant of the supporting details of a view that's been discussed for at least a year, or your casual dismissal by telling me to go find said posts (as opposed to you linking them to support your post).

    As for philosophy adherence, it's never 100%, so of course we can identify instances in which Ireland did something non-Parcellian. Coincidentally, we can find instances in which Bill Parcells went against his own philosophies. Does that mean Bill Parcells isn't part of his own tree? Of course not.
     
  17. dolfan22

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    Sort of , that neighborhood was pretty much one colour ;)
     
  18. Fin-Omenal

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    Your not ignorant Desides... Don't listen to them.
     
  19. ToddPhin

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    Defensively there seems to be a little Parcellian influence left, but as far as offense & type of coach desired, Ireland seems nothing like the most recent Parcells. Ireland's gone away from the Parcellian approach more times than he's adhered to it and drastically more times on a per pick basis than Parcells ever did, himself. Overall, Ireland seems to have as much Parcellian influence to his draft as the average random GM pulled from a hat, but I'm open to a well supported argument that says otherwise.
    Any similarities are probably more coincidental than not, and it starts with Ireland's hired coaches and how their respective styles differ from those initially hired by Parcells. That alone alters the draft philosophy.

    For added example: half of the league, including Parcells, might desire to draft Player X by the 3rd round if the opportunity exists, but that doesn't mean they all employ a Parcellian draft philosophy; it's possible they simply like Player X b/c they like him.
     
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  20. slickj101

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    Saying **** is the least of Ryan's problems.
     
  21. ToddPhin

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    Eating ****?
     
  22. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    No, but it's more than "instances". That's the problem.

    If you took offense to what I said, then that's a personal problem because I didn't write it that way (tone). I'm not going to go through and link the posts when I'm not concerned about proving my stance. Not to sound condescending (that's not my goal here), but it would be a waste of time for me to go search for the posts. The proof is littered throughout this board. If you don't agree with me, feel free to dig it up yourself.
     
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  23. gandalfin

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    Well, if Beav could just keep his stinky socks out of Wally's drawers, things would be calm in the Cleaver household.
     
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  24. shouright

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    Episode 2

    • Joe Philbin may not be the most emotionally demonstrative guy in a public setting, but make no mistake: the guy has deep emotions. He isn't suffering from some kind of disorder where he has some kind of limited or abnormal emotional capacity. His story about how his son motivated him to consider the Dolphins job was very moving to me. I doubt he felt comfortable and familiar enough with the Hard Knocks guy (whoever was interviewing him) to share just how emotional that was for him, but I got the sense that it definitely was, and very deeply.

    • Les Brown: "I was here before the cameras, coach." Nice. :up:

    • Man Michael Egnew looks light. Doesn't look to have much upper body strength.

    • Mike Sherman! Wow! Breakin' it down baby! Charles Clay and Michael Egnew are on watch. I think that explains why we didn't see any of Charles Clay with the first team the other night.

    • Ryan Tannehill ain't got no soul.

    • David Garrard telling Ryan Tannehill not to dive? I'll take Tannehill please.

    • I couldn't tell if Joe Philbin was really disapproving of Josh Samuda's hair, or just acting like he was.

    • I like the talk Brian Gaine had with Roberto Wallace. Broke it down for him in a way a player can understand.

    • Mike Sherman looks PISSED about the talent he has on offense.

    • More "strikes" against Chad Johnson that Karlos Dansby might not be aware of.

    • Offensive line sounds very cohesive. That's what can happen when you pick five linemen and stick with 'em.

    • I like the intensity of Jim Turner and the tight ends coach.

    • I like how Sherman said "let's get him [Tannehill] a completion first." Shows an awareness of the "special needs" of a rookie QB.

    • I think I heard three strikes.

    • I thought Joe Philbin handled the conversation with Chad Johnson very well. What I'm sensing is that Joe Philbin views the early part of his tenure with the Miami Dolphins as a sensitive period in which the culture he's trying to create is either going to take hold or not, and anyone who gets in the way of that to as much of a degree as Chad Johnson, without offering enough in return, isn't going to be long for this team. And I think that's the right way to go. A winning, professional culture has to be put in place, and no one guy is above that.

    Anyway, not a whole lot to psychobabble about on this one. Until next time. :)
     
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  25. MrClean

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    So a double negative means you think he actually does have soul?
     
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  26. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    Nope, he ain't got none.
     
  27. Sumlit

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    He may not have soul, but he does have a sense of humor.
     
  28. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I think he was saying the same thing Moore told him. Don't dive head first but slide feet first.
     

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