I don't think he is in the most important way, and that's player evaluation, though. That's why I question it.
Yeah. I hear ya. I know people will say he was watching practice, and that's definitely true, but at the same time he was also trying to avoid looking Chad in the eyes as he spoke directly to him about this discipline problem. And even that didn't bother me so much as the speech itself, which involved a lot of rambling and going so far out of his way to be non-confrontational that by the end if I were Chad Johnson I would be confused as to whether the coach expects me to do anything differently or not. Philbin was also clearly uncomfortable and didn't know how to handle it when Chad Johnson busted into the coaches meeting. Chad pushed him and Joe never really pushed back. Every coach in the room watched with anticipation to see what Joe would do...and Joe just sort of awkwardly...uhh, well...gee, umm...is it really true your wife doesn't want to see you? Hmm...well, why don't you go work it out with her...In the end it was Chad himself that had to decide the joke had run its course. It's not meaningful (I don't think, or maybe rather I hope)...but mark me if the whole Philbin era starts going down the tubes, it'll be something that is talked about as one of the reasons he's not meant to be a Head Coach.
You guys are trying to turn a molehill into a mountain....there is no right or wrong way to get your point across along as you GET YOUR POINT ACROSS.
Sure, I mean who knows. Cam Cameron got bowled over by Joey Porter while Tony Dungy has the respect of every single player he's ever coached and their personalities are very similar. For me, Philbin's style is more similar to the style of bosses I've had and I think that approach is more conducive to a productive work environment. I know that football is different, but we are so hard wired to view every head coach as a screaming hard *** lunatic that seeing someone act the complete opposite can be jarring or make him seem "soft". If he makes the right call at QB then he can probably act however he likes. I can see your point though on CJ coming into the meeting. He could've said "hey Chad, we're busy here, if you don't need anything urgent we'll see you tomorrow" and said it in the same calm tone he said everything else and maybe the view would be different
I though Philbin came across as a father of a bunch of children, you can't scream and yell at them all the time or they tune you out all the time. He talked calmly and fatherly but let it be known how he felt. And we all know CJ act's like a little kid most the time. Now when he yells at a player after all this calmness, it will be a shock and they will know they screwed the pooch!
I suspect Philbin really likes Chad Johnson so he was being as diplomatic as needed to make his point but not alienate him.
My impression was that Philbin was hinting that he thinks the bathroom breaks were cover for being tired. As in, Vontae doesn't really need to relieve himself, he just needs to sneak off and take a break.
My impression was the practice was only 75 minutes long, so taking 3 minutes off to take a bathroom break was wasting valuable time.
What about Derrick Dennis. No talk about him. They focus on the kid being all excited about training camp. We get to see the old locker room being taken out and the new state of the art one put in. We get to see Dennis loving his new home and just not able to imagine how nice his locker really is. Cut to them signing the chain smoking Steinbach and then cutting Dennis before he even got to put the uniform on. His locker is emptied with it being virtually untouched. BTW...New England signed Dennis 5 days ago. Watch him have a Pro Bowl career there.
He looked to the other guys as to what to do when chad came in., he looked shocked, when in reality it's not a big deal.
Like doc pointed out, really liked Jake yelling at his olinemen..thats his baby now.. Liked to hear Philbin acknowledging Martin doing a good job. Liked the underlining tone of excitement for RT.
I was quite surprised at the level of authority they gave such a young QB coach. For savvy vets like Garrard, it could be difficult to give him as much respect as someone much older than he is - that is just human nature.
Well they did get to see Dennis do the conditioning test, then saw Steinbach do the same. Maybe they were just sure that Steinbach would be a better fit based off that? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
I think you're right that the issue -- whether it's truly there or not -- may be brought up if the team doesn't become a winner, but I think it'll be a pretty bad misattribution for it. In other words, IMO there will be a multitude of more accurate reasons why the team won't be winning, especially since you probably won't even be able to get a majority of people to agree this is a problem in the first place.
I think it's possible that he wasn't looking him the eye on purpose for an intended effect. When Tannehill showed up Philbin shook his hand, looked him in the eye, and sat down for a talk with him. Tannehill is Philbin's future, so I think the intent clearly is to establish a relationship from day one. I think the intent with Johnson was different. I think Philbin believes completely that Johnson doesn't yet have a secure spot on the team, and I think Philbin probably wants to convey that lack of security on Johnson's part when he interacts with him. It's one more way to keep Johnson in line -- don't let him feel his spot is too secure, and I think you can do that in your demeanor with him. I didn't experience Philbin as uncomfortable at all when Johnson came into the meeting. I actually think Philbin was prepared to let him stay with no problem. I don't even think it was an issue for Philbin. Was he expecting Johnson? Probably not. But I didn't detect any discomfort on his part.
I think sitting down and getting his point of view as part of the process they probably believe is essential to having the coaching staff work together effectively is much different from giving him a high level of authority. You can think a roundtable discussion is essential to the proper functioning of a group of people pursuing the same goal, while at the same time giving some people's opinions much more authority than others'. You want to give your coaches some voice so as to increase their morale and their commitment to their job. That doesn't mean you have to take it to the bank.
My sense was that his view of being professional involves getting to the bathroom beforehand as a way of preparing yourself and organizing your time. And if that doesn't work, you hold it until the end. In other words, there is no place for a bathroom break for a professional in that context. I think it fits with the speech we heard at the beginning of the show with regard to being a professional.
That's the other thing. I think Philbin wants to make sure it gets across when it's really important and he's got some emotion behind it. If you're emotional all the time, nothing stands out when it needs to.
I did not get the impression that Philbin was uncomfortable in that instance. To each his own I guess.
Steinbach makes one remark, perhaps even jokingly, about needing to soak in the tub and have a cigarette after he went through his conditioning drill, so now he is a chain smoker??? Jesus H Christ on a bike.
Same. I felt like he was waiting to see if Chad had a question or needed something. Then found out his problem and was like "You're serious?" and was just unsure how serious Chad was for a minute or so and wasn't entirely sure how to help him.
I personally liked the way he reacted to Chad wandering into the meeting, sort of like a lost child. Joe had a bit of levity in his remarks to Chad, about what was going on in there, and why it really wasn't the place for him, as a player. Some of the other coaches were kind of smirking or smiling while it was going on. I saw nothing whatsoever wrong with how that was handled.
That is exactly how I saw it too. Heck, if VD neglected to prepare himself by emptying his bladder beforehand, then he could have taken a cue from Mark Schlereth, and just pissed his pants. Mark talked about how he used to do that in games sometimes.
Well people are going to be quick to declare Philbin an introvert because he's bald, skinny, and speaks softly. Just my opinion. Players aren't cussing him out in front of the team yet so I'm not too worried. As far as the meeting goes, it wasn't like Chad was busting into the President's daily brief or something, there was really no reason to get animated or angry about anything IMO. I like his message of professionalism and I think up to this point he's done a good job showing some of the players the respect he expects them to show him.
I wouldn't say that at all, especially considering that he had contractual full control since 2008, and is clearly proud of picks like Jared Odrick and Sean Smith. But he has deviated from Parcells' stone-chiseled rules about QBs, I'll give you that; Ryan Tannehill doesn't have 23 college wins. (Conversely, Jeff Ireland was hesitant enough about deviating from those rules that he sent tape of Tannehill to multiple outside sources for review and confirmation.)
I think he handled it very well. It was a tightrope to walk to 1) get the message across that it was a coaches' meeting, not a players' meeting, while 2) not sending the message that there is some authoritarian power structure involved where the coaches are "above" you. Johnson's leaving on his own, apparently without being disgruntled or offended, I think showed that Philbin pulled that off.
Plus I think when you go out there and act like a drill sergeant, you indirectly send the message that you're responsible for creating the drivenness and motivation the team needs to do well, when in reality the players are responsible for that. When you have a relaxed and calm demeanor, while emphasizing professionalism, accountability, and hard work, you send the message that the players need to do their jobs to the best of their ability, but your demeanor implies that they are responsible for getting that out of themselves. It's like Philbin said: these guys are professionals. They shouldn't need somebody yelling in their ear.
