Tannehill signed?

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  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    What you seem to be assuming is that players are responsible for their own dismissal from a team. I suppose that would be the case in instances where the player doesn't get signed anywhere else or never plays well again but that certainly doesn't cut all contract terminations.

    The reality is this...if the Dolphins don't want Ryan Tannehill to double-dip, don't cut him. There's two ways to look at it. You could say that if Tannehill doesn't want to have his compensation limited then don't get cut, but you could also take it the other way and say if the Dolphins don't want to be in that situation then A) don't pick poorly in the Draft, and/or B) don't cut him.
     
  2. FinNasty

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    Well, for the most part yes… players are responsible for their own dismissal. And I can assure you, as a young QB… the team isnt going to dismiss a QB if hes good and performing well. That would be illogical, especially considering the value of the position in today’s game. Sure, there are situations where a team just is just so stacked at a position that they get cut in a numbers game due to just not having enough roster spots at a position… but for the most part… if you are playing great, you arent getting cut. Most of the time players are cut are either A) They arent performing well enough… or B) Their contract is too inflated and the team can get more bang for their buck elsewhere. If players were paid on performance, no one would get cut b/c their play didn’t match their contract b/c, in that situation, their contract would match their play.

    Now of course, again… this entire concept is not based in reality. Besides the fact that the NFLPA would NEVER agree to such a thing… I cant imagine the nightmare it would be to try to implement a salary cap where the earnings of players would be unknown going into that season.


    Well sure, don’t cut him if you don’t want him to double dip. But the whole point I was making is that players that suck should be cut and deservingly so. And in terms of deserving or earning the money… which is what I was talking about… the player isnt living up to their end of the deal. I can assure you that the Fins would be thrilled to be paying him every penny possible if he was playing great and earning every cent of it… and that Tannehill will be solely responsible for his own dismissal.
     
  3. ckparrothead

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    The natural counter to your argument would be the issue of incentives. You don't want the player to get a penny more than he deserves if he sucks. What about if he outplays his contract? Can you assure him that he will get every penny of his worth during the life of the contract?

    If you're forced to accept structural limitations that cap the player's ability to be paid what he's worth on one side, it's only natural for there to be structural limitations on the other side that cap a team's ability to reduce their financial responsibility according to the player's worth.
     
  4. FinNasty

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    Yep, I mentioned that earlier. That was the whole point. In this hypothetical system, no player would ever be underpaid or "over perform" for a contract b/c essentially, the contracts would be entirely incentive based.

     
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  5. ckparrothead

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    So then why are you railing at Ryan Tannehill to sign his contract as offered by the Dolphins, instead of railing at the Dolphins to give Ryan Tannehill a contract that ensures he can be paid every cent he's worth?
     
  6. FinNasty

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    When did I "rail" on anyone? I am not railing Ryan b/c if he has the ability to get it in his contract, why shouldnt he push for it? I wouldnt blame him for trying to grab every cent he can, b/c I know I sure would if in that situation. And I'm not railing on the Fins b/c the payment structure that is in place goes beyond just the Fins, as it is league wide and has been collectively bargained upon between the league and the players union.


    I just said that I dont understand how a player could logically argue that they should have that in their contract and that they deserve money that they arent earning on the field for that club.
     
  7. ckparrothead

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    Well then the answer to your question, or rather your non-understanding, is that this request is the logical counter offer to an offer which seems designed to lock Ryan Tannehill into a contract which CAN'T pay him what he's worth if he ends up being better than the contract. Structural inequities on one side must be balanced by structural inequities on the other side.

    Soo...I guess now you do understand how a player could logically argue that they should have that in their contract.
     
  8. FinNasty

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    I can see where you are coming from with that, and it is a good point. But arent these rookie deals still having incentives built in to help balance out said structural inequities if he is performing well? Or did those get taken out in the new CBA? I do know that there were never any negative incentives that reduce money if not playing or playing poorly... just positive incentives to further reward good play.
     
  9. ckparrothead

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    I don't recall any incentives being built into these contracts.
     
  10. FinNasty

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    Ah ok, didnt know they removed them in the new deals under this CBA. I guess that was the trade off for making at least 3 and maybe 4 of the years fully guaranteed instead of just the signing bonus?
     
  11. ckparrothead

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    To me the fully guaranteed contracts are a trade-off for the simple fact that contracts have been obliterated to about a third of their previous worth under the old CBA. Ryan Tannehill would have made $40 million on a five year deal if he signed the same deal Rolando McClain signed at #8 overall in 2010. Instead he signs a deal worth $12.5 million over four years. McClain got $23 million in guaranteed on his deal. Even if you fully guarantee Ryan's contract he's still only making half that in guaranteed money.
     
  12. FinNasty

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    Definitely that as well, lol.
     
  13. byroan

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    Since he hasn't signed yet, I'm going to close the thread.
     
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