Tannehill's Contract - Offset Language Snag

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  1. gandalfin

    gandalfin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I mentioned early in this post that Tannehill should have the confidence to allow the inclusion of the offset language, and that may be true in and of itself. However, considering that the players slotted above and below him had contracts with no offset language, I don't think the Dolphins have a leg to stand on regarding this. The fair thing should be done and that's for the FO not to pursue this. They can fight this battle another day if they feel strongly enough, but they will be hurting everyone including themselves if they don't do the right thing in this situation.

    Seems like the Vikings and KC are also being harda**es about this too. I hope the Dolphins don't join them.
     
  2. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    i personally change my stand on this, since the team is already doing conditioning drills, to me he is a holdout
     
  3. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I don't think the Dolphins are going to blink on this one. Tannehill is probably going to have to cave in. I just hope there isn't a prolonged holdout before that happens.
     
  4. gandalfin

    gandalfin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That may be, but if a prolonged holdout does happen, Ireland's going to be on the wrong side of another PR situation IMO. Lot's of folks are going to be calling for his head again.
     
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  5. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    I think you are right. I think the Dolphins will hold to their guns with the offset language in the contract (I'm wondering if it would be more about a potential 5th year option than anything else). If I am reading the situation correctly Tannehill will cave before training camp. I could see a situation where Tannehill's agent suggests he holdout, but Tannehill says he just wants to sign so he can play ball in training camp. Should be interesting. I think the latest this holdout goes is day 1 off training camp. I don't see him missing more than 1 day of training camp though.
     
  6. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    To me this is the definition of stupidity. While both Ryan Tannehill and the Dolphins would probably like you to think this is about a significant sum of money, it's NOT. On either side. It's purely about ego clash and leverage.
     
  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    What is professional sports contract negotiations?
     
  8. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    In MOST negotiations, it's about money in addition to the ego clash and leverage. This isn't about a great deal of money. In reality both sides are fighting over a theoretical $500k in the event that Ryan Tannehill sucks so bad he's not even worth a backup QB's salary in 2015. Essentially, Ryan wants to be assured he's on roster in 2015 or at least traded to a team that's willing to give something up for him, with an outside shot of getting up to a million bucks as a free agent (probably more like half a million) in the event that he's so worthless the Dolphins decide he's not even worth a 53 man roster spot regardless of price. The Dolphins want the possibility of saving half a million in the event that he's so worthless they would rather cut him than pay him the veteran's minimum, which is essentially the same as saying he's not worth a 53 man roster spot.

    That's the logical continuation of the scenarios. The Dolphins want to be able to make a decision whether Ryan is worth $500k or not in 2015, and Ryan wants the Dolphins to be forced to make a decision whether Ryan is worth $0 or not in 2015. The chances of either scenario actually playing out in a way where one side is glad they have or don't have offset language is freaking miniscule.
     
  9. gandalfin

    gandalfin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's why I for one, and probably a lot of others will be livid if Ireland lets this develop into a protracted holdout. Even if it only lasts a few days Ireland will incur a lot of wrath.
     
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  10. gandalfin

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    Armando reporting that neither Khalil's nor Poe's contracts had offset language.
     
  11. ckparrothead

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    I know Kalil's didn't have offset language but the PFT report on Poe's deal says he had offset language...so that's a conflicting report.
     
  12. gandalfin

    gandalfin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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  13. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I would trust Josh Alper's report on PFT for the moment. The difference is that while Alper stipulated "sources tell PFT that..." if you read Armando's blog post he says "according to various reports". One has firsthand sources and another is information-gathering off the internet, and therefore I'd assume the latter simply misunderstood what he was reading.
     
  14. Da 'Fins

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    Given that Tannehill is a QB - I can see why Miami is wanting offset language. First, as a QB, it's such a hit or miss position (except in rare cases) that he could well be a bust. QB's rated and drafted higher have been. Second, if the team cuts him after year 3 (perhaps they get a much better QB and RT is superfluous), he still has a decent chance of signing as a backup or to compete on a team in need of a QB and getting a deal worth $2-3 million plus. At that point, the Dolphins could save 2-3 million. For RT, it's a big bonus to not have the offset. He can sign with a team for less money and get in a very good situation (if his situation with Miami is not a good one for him). He can almost pick his team and not worry b/c he's going to get the $2-3 mil for certain. If he gets a $1-2 Mil deal - he's in the $5 Mil range, potentially. I don't think he's going to just get a $500K deal. even if cut outright after year 3, I think it will be higher.

    It's clearly a bigger deal for RT than for Miami. But, potentially being free of $2-3 Million four years from now could be a factor with teams close to the cap and possibly signing a very good FA. As far as negotiations on this particular issue, I'd give RT a slight advantage only b/c there have been several other players getting no offset.

    Actually, it's to great benefit of both player and team for him to get a full camp, imo, whether he plays this year or not. Bench players get some of their best work in the preseason. Once the season starts, they won't get much. So, he needs to be in camp and get as many reps as possible, imo.

    Below is the deal that Mark Barron received (just for comparison purposes). He received a deal with no offset, of course.

     
  15. ckparrothead

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    I don't know that you're thinking this through logically. Put yourself in the shoes of the team that hypothetically wants to sign Ryan Tannehill for $2-3 million. You know that Ryan has $3.5 million guaranteed to him. Whatever you don't pay, the Dolphins have to make up the difference. Then tell me this, why do you offer anything more than the veteran's minimum? Why, if you are Ryan Tannehill, do you demand any more than the veteran minimum from your new team? Either way, you're getting $3.5 million, and if anything you'd prefer your old team, the one that just cut you, to shoulder the bulk of that payment...both as a means of sticking it to the team that cut you, and as a way of ensuring that the team you're joining has the best chance to field a good team.
     
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  16. djphinfan

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    is it worth the PR hit, considering everything ?
     
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  17. Da 'Fins

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    Yes, I see your point; the incentive for teams to sign him to any sort of deal other than minimum is not there. He gets the same money either way - it's just who is on the hook for it. Teams would essentially have to want him so bad, in a bidding war, they would give him a bigger deal than whatever he was guaranteed. Unlikely. So it is a significantly bigger deal for the player (if no offset, any new money he gets would be above the guarantee) than the team.

    The offset language almost becomes more of a way for a team to hurt a player, than benefit themselves, should they release him (as he is unlikely to make anything more than the guarantee that season).
     
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  18. ckparrothead

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    The flip side to this is, say you're Ryan Tannehill and you "win" the offset language battle. Your fourth year $3.5 million salary is now fully guaranteed with no offset. In what situation will you end up with the ability to "double dip"? Under what circumstances would a team that has to pay you $3.5 million in 2015 whether you're on roster or not, end up cutting you? They would have to decide that they just plain need the 53 man roster spot, that you're THAT valueless. If the team that drafted you thinks you're THAT valueless, what do you expect to get on the free market? Probably the veteran's minimum, maybe $1 million tops.

    So financially it doesn't mean that much to Tannehill, either.

    It's a slapfight between egos.
     
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  19. Da 'Fins

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    lol. agreed.
     
  20. ckparrothead

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    And so that brings me back to the issues of leverage and precedent. Picks #1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9 and 14 have verified contracts sans-offset language. Picks #10 and 12 have verified offset language. Picks #11 and 13 are unclear because of directly conflicting reports on pick #11 and lack of any reports whatsoever on pick #13. Pick #5 hasn't signed yet and they're currently embroiled in the same offset battle, except the prospect in question was dumb enough to get a DUI after being drafted before he'd signed his contract, so he should probably expect to lose something because of that.

    So if you've got the lesser leverage on this, why dig in for a showdown and holdout over something you (should) KNOW to be almost a non-issue? Why get into a POTM battle over something you're so clearly out-numbered on?

    Not only does Ryan Tannehill have SLIGHTLY more at stake, as you say, but dollar for dollar the money means more to him than it does the Dolphins because the Dolphins have tons of money and he has none.

    Why not just let it go?
     
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  21. ckparrothead

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    Well let's not take it completely out of context and be unfair to Matt, he said he's been trying to get better in practice year by year and he believes he has. So, there's that. But even so, to say what he did shows that there's clearly still an underlying attitude that it doesn't matter how he practices...which I think isn't a good way to go about it.
     
  22. byroan

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    It's officially a holdout now. TC started this morning and no sign of Ryan.
     
  23. ckparrothead

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    The Dolphins had Pat Devlin shave his head to see if fans wouldn't notice the difference. ;)
     
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  24. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    Bet we sign him by days end.
     
  25. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    how much? :wink2:
     
  26. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    16.5 :shifty:
     
  27. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    If there is no deal done by the end of the weekend, then I'll start getting angry. Right now I'm just slightly irritated.
     

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