*The Official 2011-12 NBA Thread*

The only thing they can do about flopping is to impose fines.

 

Celtics don't give up layups. You probably have a 50% chance of getting a call if you are fouled at the rim. Or you can get met with a double and be forced to kick it to Someone else for a shot that's not much more likely than a LeBron jumper over Rondo.

My only criticism on that play was that LeBron faded away when he didn't really need to.

 

Ah the commentating wasn't too bad. The halftime show was for sure horrible.

 

Which theres already a rule for. No fines ever come of it. What they need to do is give out techs for flops, like they do in Euroleague. Or like how they give out yellow cards for obvious flops in soccer.

 

This thread is always so terrible and awesome.

Complaining about the refs should be illegal in basketball. They're always terrible so please don't bring them up. Thanks.

 

Fixed that for you! lol

 

absolutely. KG is KING of throwing a Bow and then hiding it. Udonis Haslem did the exact same thing two years ago and got tossed for a game.

 

I'm pretty surprised he didn't get in Jones face afterwards. He's also the king of stepping up to smaller guys like Wade while running like a ***** from guys like McDyess and Bogut.

 

Maybe you shouldn't watch anymore. KG fouled on that play. Wade extended his leg to get the and one. Simple stuff really.

 

in the playoffs two years ago..he wanted to start world war three with Quentin Richardson.

I LOVE LG, and consider him the best PF of all-time..but his "*****assness" aspect to his game is ridiculous.

Really?

Spo put in James Jones to get another three point shooter on the court for a 5 minute stretch to give a little offense before he inserts Wade back in....so of course...throw a bow at his head. Nice one KG. Dumb play.

 

Problem with Lebron in those situations is that he is so intelligent. He analyzed the situation, and realized the best shot was to shoot over Rondo, since he can;t beat Rondo off the dribble and the help was coming in spades.

That is why 6'-8" 260 pound people aren't the best late game options. They are limited for a single score in an ISO situation that a defense prepares for.

 

Funny you should mention that as I was just saying the same thing to a friend the other day. Defenses almost always force jump shots in last shot situations. They always sag off a little bit and rotate everything to the paint. LeBron made the right decision to shoot a jumper. An open one at that.

 

So.....New Orleans gets the #1 overall pick.....shocking. Does anyone actually believe that they hold a real lottery behind closed doors anymore?

 

It's why the best play in those situations is to draw up a play to get A SHOT.

You give good athletes an opportunity to defend one possession and it becomes almost impossible for a guy like Lebron. it is why a quick guy like Wade is a better option, because he guarantees a SHOT.

 

Yes..because Cleveland and New Jersey didn't WIN. Two much more attractive locations.

 

1. You're crazy for saying Collins should go back to TNT. 2. I agree on Van Gundy. I mainly love his humor.

 

Maybe not a layup, but he should have backed Rondo to the rim and made life a lot easier for him. He could have went right over Rondo. I agree, the fading away was unnecessary.

 

What? So the whole Chris Paul angle, Tom Benson desperation sale, that doesn't come into play? I mean it's pretty obvious, based on last year's Cleveland thing. If Orlando sucks this year and they get the first pick will you guys still doubt this league is rigged at times?

 

Not when the NBA owns the Hornets and needs to sell them.

 

What's crazy about it? He was by far the best broadcaster.

 

Re: complaints about the referees in this thread, all the refs are doing is calling Boston for the stuff they normally get away with. It's the ECF; you don't let a team get away with some of the b*tch moves that the Celtics normally get away with.

The Hornets were already sold to Tom Benson, the Saints owner.

 

They already sold them.

They could have "created" another market. If it was rigged, they helped a poor market and kept the more attractive ones spinning their wheels.

 

Doesnt mean there wasn't a "handshake" deal. I wouldnt put it past the NBA who is notorious for questionable moves. Ofcourse thats how the Knicks got Ewing but it doesnt really make it right.

 

The way they do the drawing, makes it impossible to rig.

You are talking about specific combinations that must come out for the Hornets to get the pick.

So the only way to do it is to "weight" the balls. Except that they draw spots 14 on down. So the same combination would come up over and over, if the ping pong balls were rigged.

So yes, it is impossible for them to rig it.

 

You are funny sometimes Sect, one assumes one knows everything about how that works, and the thought the fact you may have incomplete information never enters into ones' thought processes which leads to using terms such as "impossible".

Uhm no it is not, put 3 guys on it, who have complete access to the process and you really think such is impossible? I'll remind you this style system has been compromised before by weighing some balls down and making the predetermined balls lighter.

But of course, that is impossible.

From the Celts drafting Bird prior to his declaring, to corrupt officials, to characters such as "world wide Wes" the NBA can be such a bush league, like amateur hour with billions in revenues.

 

Not yet, sale had not been approved by the NBA's board of governors, but to me if he is going to take the team off of the leagues' hands, for a hundreds of millions of dollar check, the #1 overall would tend to make sense as a closer.

 

If Rondo had done the same thing and been called for a foul, I'm sure C's fans would be in total agreement with you, right?

Garnett initiated contact. He actually shoved Wade's arm.

 

There is media that watches the lottery. Darren Rovell wrote a column about exactly what happens after he watched it in 2002.

I guess it's not "impossible" if you're enterprising enough but like most conspiracy theories it doesn't make any sense upon further inspection. Any value the league gains by a certain team getting the #1 pick, or making it to the Finals is miniscule compared to the consequences should the scheme ever see the light of day.

In short, the risk outweighs the reward. The tv ratings weren't so much better for the Lakers than the Kings that it would be worth going to jail over if the conspiracy was revealed.

 

Sure it is, the idea is to have the illusion of competitiveness, not a reality of competitiveness.

And the "key" if one will, is not to rig every drawing, it is to selectively intervene to protect the interests of the enterprise ie, the NBA itself, it had to divest itself of the Nola franchise. As for the media watching, they can easily be allowed to see only what the league wants them to see.

As soon as you think it could never happen is the best time to bring it to fruition b/c no one would believe it to be possible. For example the head of security for a company that ran contests for things like cash prizes and homes etc colluded with people to rig outcomes, it took literal yrs for this to be discovered and they were doing so all of the time, every year.

 

So was the lottery rigged for cleveland to get LeBron because he was from Cleveland?

And again, since they draw from the same machine with the same ping pong balls for the 1st 3 picks, how can only the 1st pick be rigged?

 

Not sure how so many people are forgetting this.

 

All 3 would have been rigged, 2 would not be likely to win, 1 would be more likely to win.



57% of participants in this USAtoday poll tend to agree

Real problem for the NBA is so many are quite ready to believe the process was rigged, which imo goes to the image the NBA has around the US.

 

Because the sale had not been approved when the drawing happened?

 

How would these guys go to jail? Who is the victim here? The only legitimate argument you could make would be the players, but if this even makes them slightly more money, then its in their best interest as well.

 

they do not remove any balls. yes, it is impossible.

 

And there is an envelope portion, however it still can be done.

 

Not the players in this scenario, but yes, point shaving is technically a federal crime.

A league rigging a sporting event is a federal crime. Same thing with a television network rigging a game show.

So yeah, if David Stern were ever proved to have fixed a game or the lottery results, he theoretically could go to prison.

 

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/05/30/nba-draft-lottery/?sct=hp_t13_a1&eref=sihp

Zach Lowe from SI at the lottery last night. It was not rigged.

 

It would be pretty low on the totem pole of nefarious business activity in this country. The problem is that there is nobody that would push for this. Especially in this instance, since every team has a vested interest in maximizing the Hornets' value.

I'm not saying that it was rigged. But if there ever were a situation where you would want to rig the lottery, this would be it.