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Which is sad lol but true.

They use that kind of blueprint for so much garbage these days it's insane.

 

According to my wife who loves the Hunger Games books (and gave the movie a 9/10) but hates Twilight, there is no real love triangle in HG. The chick loves the her guy and pretends to love the other guy from the games because that is what kept them alive. So its not a triangle at all really. Plus for awhile they are never sure the guy from the games loves her either, for awhile anyway. She says a lot of that was lost in the movie.

 

Oh hell naw.

 

Watch the first Harry Potter movie and take off your fan glasses. It was like watching kids go to school. School is boring.

 

Really? I thought it was because she didn't really want to kill anyone.

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Which was shown when she first when to hit the target and couldn't hit it at first because it was shaped as a human. Plus the first person she actually directly killed was only because Rue was in danger.

 

My impression from the books was different. I think there was a love triangle in the books, but her feelings went through the ups and downs that most teenagers go through. Add in the extraordinary circumstances you face in the story that most teenagers don't face and you have more extreme ups and downs. Also she was a girl who was pretty closed off from her feeling naturally. She was not a girl who dreamed of falling in love and having kids. So while she was pretending at times, I thought it was also clear that there were times that she loved Peeta. In fact, one of my female friends, main complaint about the books was that she felt it was too much about the love triangle. So I disagree that there was not a love triangle, but I do agree that a lot of that was lost in the movie.

 

Which still makes no sense, imo.

Honestly man I really disliked the movie as a whole so I'm sure I'm being at least a little overly-critical.

 

How does that not make sense? It is actually known that most soldiers in war do not want to kill people when they first go to battle. It perfectly fits in when you consider human nature.

 

Not really. Survival is the most basic goal for most humans.

If you accept that if you don't kill your enemy, they'll kill you, then that's all there is to it.

 

http://www.military-sf.com/Killing.htm
Here is an article on the psycology of killing.


Here is a quote.

It is not part of human nature to kill humans. Even if it is survival. The problem of humans not really want to kill other humans is something the military puts a lot of work on due to the fact their job when going to war is killing humans.

 

Most people take time to accept that.

 

Completely disagree. And it's certainly not a topic that you can point to one article and say oh ok it's a fact now.

I did find this funny though:

lol Really? You're in a war, in close enough proximity to see the enemy, and that's not already a desperate situation?

I just can't agree with aaaany of that.

The whole idea that it's not in our nature to kill other humans is completely ridiculous to me. I'd say it's a lot harder to kill people up close and personal with a knife as opposed to pushing a button to launch a missile from a thousand miles away, sure. But make no mistake humans kill each other for awful reasons all the time.

 

I can see if it's a reaction in a situation you probably wouldn't be expecting, like being mugged or something.

But if it's a scenario where you know you're going in to war, it has to be part of the mental preparation.

 

That is because there are 5 billion people. OF course there are exceptions to the rule, even the study has 20% of people willing to kill. If 20% of the people are fine with killing then that would mean that 80%.

I just found one article. I have read a few studies that show it is hard for the average person to kill people. The human condition is an interest of mine. I am not talking about psychopaths or sociopaths, I am talking about average human beings who do not live a life where killing people is normal.

People who grow up in situations where killing peoiple isn't normal, generally do not want to kill people. The average person would take longer than a day to become a cold bloody killer in the hunger games.

 

Except in the books, especially the first one Gale isn't her boyfriend at home. In fact she makes a point of mentioning that she she's Gale as a brother. Also in the novels she states how she never wants to get married or have kids, because she doesn't want them to have to participate in the Hunger Games.

No offense to your wife Fin D, but her reading comprehension is a bit lacking. Like I said above she initially regards Gale as like a brother, plus she has no desire to get married. Then in the Thunderdome errr the Hunger Games she does indeed pretend to love Peeta for their survival. All the while thinking about how it's affecting Gale, because she does realize his true feelings. However she also believes Peeta is faking it too, until the end of the first book when she finds out Peeta really loves her. However there is a scene when they are huddled in the cave after she finds him and they are kissing for the cameras and she mentions she feels some deep down stirring she never felt. Then in the second book she kisses Gale and almost decides that she love him, but later kisses Peeta and almost gets Frisky and again references that deep down stirring emotion she originally felt in the cave. The whole time she always feels bad about the other person's feelings. If that isn't a love triangle I don't know what is. I haven't finished the third book (I almost have no desire to) but seriously Gale is like Edward and Peeta is like Jacob.

 

Not wanting to kill someone and knowing you're in a them or me situation aren't the same thing.

If you don't want to die, then you accept the fact that you have to kill the other person.

 

They didn't do a good job of getting that across in the movie

 

How so? How many them or me situations have you been and how many studies have you written or at least read?

Is this coming from personal experience or actual research?

 

Probably makes for a more entertaining movie I guess.

 

They could have done a much better job in the movie getting across what actually is happening and what things actually mean. The movie did count on the audience to fill in some pieces or assumed you knew it because you read the book.

 

I've never been in a sitation where I had to kill someone. I've been in plenty of fights and in the more serious ones, you have to know that it might escalate in to that. If you can't accept that it's very possible for someone to be beaten to death, even accidently, then you're very naive.

Again, having the bigger library on this kind of a subject is meaningless, imo. It's a question of personal psychology and mentality, and I don't see any way to put a percentage on something like that for people.

 

So I guess we are at a stand still. Imo, science and personal psychology and mentality are important and very valid. Science shows that it makes perfect sense for someone to not want to kill another human. Her character was very believable when studying the human condition and what a human would do. To say it doesn't make sense, just isn't backed up by anything. In your opinion science is wrong.

Plus if survival was so simple and easy, then suicide wouldn't kill as many people as it does.

 

You're entering in to a contest where the goal is to kill other people before they kill you. I'm sorry but if you don't accept that going in then maybe you're just suicidal to begin with.

Suicide has absolutely nothing to do with that argument. Survival by means of not letting people kill you is one thing. Surviving through diseases, natural disasters, and other uncontrollable situations is another.

 

You are forced into a contest you do not want to be in the first place where you have to kill other people. The only reason she joined was so her sister wouldn't die.

I am sorry you do not get the fact that it is easy to say, "Yea I would totally kill a person," and then when you get in that situation it because much more hard.

It is perfectly fesible for a person in that situation to not want to kill people. Especially in the first few days. Your statement was, "to not want to kil people doesn't make sense." When people in real life are put in similar situations they find it difficult to kill people. Especially on the first day.

Suicide has a place in it because you said, "Human beings #1 goal is survival" and that goes against everything you said. Suicide kills more people than all the wars combined. Which means there are many different goals of humans.

In fact they did a great job in the movie showing she did not want to kill.

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Even did a pretty good Lady MacBeth scene with her crying and washing her hands after she did have to kill someone.

 

And she wouldn't want to survive to get back to her sister?

lol You're saying I can't say what I'd do in a situation, but because you read a few different theories on the subject, you can? Sounds pretty hypocritcal .

Suicide kills people for plenty of reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with the situation we're talking about. It's completely irrelevant to the scenario.

 

Where did you get that? I have no idea how I would do in that situation. Because I read different theories on the subject I think I could either become a cold blooded killer, kill myself(which is why sucicide perfectly fits), or just run away because I do not want to kill anyone.

The studies show that I am more likely to not want to kill anyone. Knowing the type of person I am, I would guess that I would not want to kil anyone. I could be completely wrong, and I hope I never have to find out.

However to say that I would just become a cold blooded killer 100% of the time is just plain silly.

 

That is what I said basically.

 

I don't believe that studies can say that. Science has to be rationally explained for it to be a fact. Like I said, I don't think there's a valid theory that proves anything like that.

My problem is that it doesn't make for an entertaining film. Even more annoying was

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How they wind up changing the rules at the end to make it a happy ending. Very convenient and a pretty ridiculous way to have a squeaky clean ending.

Female love triangle parading as an action movie like VO said is pretty dead-on.

 

The movie ends that way, but the book and the book series doesn't and neither rest of the movies. There's one more thing that happens to end the first book, that i read they are going to start the next movie with.

 

Then apparently it is my comprehension that is off.

 

I'm only judging this movie.

 

The point being at the end of this movie she is not torn between two lovers. This ain't Twilight.

 

I know, just a heads up.

 

That doesn't change the reality that is what studies say. You have yet to show anything other than, "what I think." Which is also based on NOTHING. You might as well say the sky is red because you believe it.

I also didn't think the ending was squeaky clean.

 

lol I could study the negative effects that dog **** sitting on a hot sidewalk has on the ozone, but just because I throw the word study on it, it doesn't automatically make my hypothesis any more factual.

What I think is those studies are ridiculous because they're based on variables (individual mentalities) that these researchers have absolutely no way of measuring. Especially not to the point where they can say, "80% of people would do this.." It's just silly, imo.

And I still dislike the film.

 

The study didn't say that. The study says, "80% of people DID do this". Look it up. It is a problem the military has to deal with. When it comes to individual mentalities of course there is no way of measuring. What they can measure is the probability. For instance, if a study says, "1 in 6 people get lung cancer" doesn't mean that you have six people in a room that smoke that only 1 gets lung cancer.

In fact all that matters to this conversation is that there exists people who in extreme situations with their lives on the line still hesitate to kill people. That there are a good amount of those people and it is not silly at all to say one of those people would be in the twenty-four randomly selected people. To say otherwise is just putting fingers in your ears and saying, "LA LA LA LA LA."

There are plenty of reasons to dislike the movie.

 

Right, aside from "desperate situations."

Agree to disagree.

 

I guess war isn't desperate enough of a situation for you.

Agree to disagree.

 

Wow the Hunger Games talk really went off lol. Like I said originally, I thought it was really good, and for reference I hadn't read the books, though I did read the Wikipedia synopsis since I had no idea what the hell it was about when I saw the commercials.

I think it is interesting in how a movie that is basically adults forcing kids to kill each other was portrayed in a subtle enough fashion to gain a PG13 rating and a massive following.

I think they did a good job of showing different personalities. Clearly some of the kids were essentially "built for the kill" and did so without hesitating. Others relied more on stealth and cunning to avoid detection. Katniss to me always gave off the vibe of not really wanting to kill - I have to throw my hat into Dupree's ring on that. Remember, it can be one thing to be involved in a battle, or shooting at shapes, forms, or in self defense.

It is another thing when you are trying to stalk and deliberately kill an individual. Not every solider can be a sniper - it takes a certain type of person, and they indicated that Katniss wasn't it. She's not a killer. When pressed, she will defend herself, but she doesn't go around just being a machine. I think that is actually quite realistic and was portrayed well.

The love triangle thing was also handled fairly well. It was pretty evident that it was not a real triangle, she clearly started with no feelings for Peeta, and while she may have gained some towards the end, she still seems to not really be in love with him. She was putting on a show to improve her odds as Haymitch was directing to her to roll with it.

I am definitely interested to see the last two movies.

 

lol Actually I was making fun of your study that suggested it wasn't. But whatever floats your boat.