I hate this organization. I like Philbin. But, the rest of the group is awful. They should have been recruiting Flynn and pumped about him. Flynn got $10 M guaranteed on a 3 year deal? Please. Chicken feed for a starter. In the NFL with the cap going up dramatically in a couple of years, that's easy to deal with. Ireland is a problem right now. No players have confidence in him. I have never thought he was a good GM for a WCO because he doesn't know the players. I cannot find the words to describe how down I am - I've never felt this bad about a franchise. When you have a brand new head coach and you are already reeling the first few days of free agency? Ridiculous.
I doubt we made a serious offer to Flynn... I think this team is heading in the wrong direction when it comes to perception. Why the f*** do you even stir the pot and fly Flynn down here if you have no intention of signing him or making a legitimate offer? That is what makes no sense to me. Don't give me that due diligence crap if Philbin wasn't sold. We already had all the info we needed. Either sign him or don't fly him down here. Simple enough, huh?
We cant close the deal on any franchise player due to that fact Ireland has final say... We all can go back and forth about maybe Philbin this or Ireland that but when it comes down to it. Ireland has final say so Philbin has to shut his mouth and do what he is told. All what we have read from the news is that in the NFL the Phins are not a team you want to be a part of. Your the owner of the phins and are worth 3 billion dollars, some how you must not a dumb mofo to have made that much money keeping aholes in your business, its a team sport from top to bottom and we got rid of one cancer BM as what they have said, then why cant we get rid of the other Cancer Ireland. Cut this serpents head off...
How the hell where we gonna sign Manning to what is a boat load of money, but cant spend peanuts to sign either Flynn, Winston or anyone else who would have helped this team. Anyone who will help this team win period.
I don't really know anymore, but it's embarrassing at this point. Matt Flynn didn't want to be here and we have his freaking coach and system in place. I like some of the things Ireland has done. He has built a solid roster for the most part (sans QB of course). I REALLY like the Philbin hire too, but something isn't right. Ross really needs to get to the bottom of it and soon. He needs to talk to people around the league and if the consensus is that people don't want to play or work for Jeff Ireland, then he needs to be fired. Simple as that. We're close, and if Irish is the reason we can't get the key players to put us over the top then he needs to go. All I know is the rest of this offseason better be nothing short of spectacular.
I definitely agree with some of the posters that an irresponsible media has played a big part in what has now clearly become an PR nightmare called the Miami Dolphins. But how can anyone deny that Ross and Ireland have not set themselves up to look like idiots by making a claim their #1 priority is to upgrade the QB position this off season and then not deliver?
meh... settle... always look on the bright side of life... doo doo... badum dadum doo do... we haven't seen the draft yet.. maybe something else opens up. Maybe we make a shocking trade for a franchise quarterback (not named Tebow)... its not the end of the world... we've got until 12/21/12
'' Rosenhaus pointed out tonight, "If they wanted Flynn, they could've made it happen." Flynn was not a Dolphins priority...
Exactly the point. If Flynn wasn't the priority then why would Ross and Ireland be so dumb and say their top off season priority was to upgrade the QB position? Manning was a Colt and no one knew if he would even play again. After Manning, next in line they targeted Flynn. Did Ross and Ireland really not even know who the free agents are? They had to know there was no chance of drafting Luck. To make a statement like they did and not have an actual plan constitutes ineptness imo. To have Flynn in mind and not be able to sign constitutes ineptness imo. Either way they set themselves up to look like fools.
you don't throw money at someone you don't really want..your shi&&ing on them because they didn't sign the QB that the coach had 4 years of mental video of..what part of trusting the coach on that unique situation don't you understand.. He didn't fraking want him, or else he would of had him..Its football not chaos math here.
'' Rosenhaus pointed out tonight, "If they wanted Flynn, they could've made it happen." Flynn was not a Dolphins priority...
The part I don't understand is the part where you actually report your opinion as fact. Like thinking the coach does the GMs duties by figuring out how much a player is worth and then offering or not offering the player a contract. What part of saying their #1 priority is to upgrade the QB position and then not doing it sets themselves up don't you understand?
It sure seems like a lot of people who like Philbin but dislike Ross and Ireland want to believe that "not landing Flynn" has nothing to do with Philbin. I find that funny.
It sure seems like a lot of Ross and Ireland apologists think handling contact negotiations and managing the salary cap falls under Philbin's responsibility and not the GMs. I too find that funny.
As much as it'd be easier for you to think that, I'm a realist and I'm intelligent enough to assess the situation without a bias. I hated quite a few of Ireland's moves like Daniel Thomas and Colombo, but I give him credit when he finds a Cam Wake, signs a Dansby, trades for and away Marshall (given the circumstances I don't blame him at all) and gets Moore and Bush for great value. I'm also not going to piss my pants and throw a hissy fit no matter what he does. Especially when it's ****ing march.
hilarious...They are just protecting their projection of Flynn..I heard hundreds of members say that because of coaches intimate knowledge of the player they would defer to his expertise.. guess that only means if your on the record for thinking Flynn was the answer..
Just whom do you think GMs talk to and receive input from when scouting players etc? You don't think Ireland talks to a player's coach or uses outside information to help form an opinion? I clearly remember him doing a lot of research on Jimmy Wilson prior to drafting him, so what makes you think he wouldn't heed the input of his new head coach who knows Flynn better than anyone? If we trusted Philbin enough to hire him, I'm fairly certain they'd trust him enough to help set a value for Flynn since it's his team and offense Flynn would be playing for. During Philbin's hiring, it's highly unlikely that Flynn wasn't discussed as well as Philbin's desire or lack there of to have him as his QB, and I seriously doubt Philbin would've taken the job if it forces him to work with a QB he doesn't want, and I doubt he'd want to coach a team who denies him the QB he hypothetically badly wants running his offense..... so yes, I'd virtually guarantee Philbin had some say so in Flynn coming here (or not), and this input either directly or indirectly helped Ireland and Ross determine Flynn's value. And the last thing that happened was Ireland, Ross, and Philbin just winging this whole thing w/o anyone knowing what the other's intentions regarding the future of the team, offense, and QB situation. It wasn't a 30 second meeting that went like this: Ireland---"You wan't the job Joe?" Philbin---"Sure, why not." Ireland-- "Great, sign here. We'll contact you with the details of your first NFL head coaching job later even though your future as an NFL head coach might be at stake if you don't succeed in Miami. Respectfully, Adam, but in your opinion they're not doing anything about it. Perhaps it's because you possibly felt Flynn was the definitive answer when not everyone else did so or that we missed out on Manning when he likely was never ours to begin with. The fact is--- we're not even through FA yet and we still have a top 10 draft pick, so I'm not sure how you're saying we didn't address the QB position as if we're already into the 2012 season.
do you think they can piss upgrades out their *** when the #1 free agent qb on the market is Matt Flynn..Would signing flynn just give you piece of mind, just because, or do you not want to know why that he wasn't signed by his own coach, or just that he wasn't signed is enough reason to blame Ireland..
Spot on. Jeff Ireland is easily the worst GM in football. Turning this once proud franchise into a laughing stock one laughable decision at a time.
For anyone who believes Philbin had no say in Flynn or didn't help set his value, can you please explain the Sherman hiring? (thank you in advance) Staying consistent with the "theory" of Philbin having no say so in Flynn, that would make Sherman's hiring and history with Philbin nothing more than coincidence. It's theoretically possible, but highly unlikely. Therefore, if Ireland hired Sherman b/c of Philbin's input and history with him, you can bet Philbin's input and history with Flynn were also taken into great consideration.
Come on you know that if we signed Flynn it was all Philbin but if we didn't it's because Ireland is in the antichrist. Makes perfect sense. Actuallty if what I said is true....WE NEED TEBOW AFTERALL. Edit....you know what Im leaving my typo bolded simply because its the best laugh and mental image Ive had all day.
We didn't sign Flynn which means he likely wasn't given a ringing endorsement from Philbin, so how does that make our GM the worst in football for not signing a guy his HC didn't feel was as important as you do? Shouldn't you instead be irrationally calling our HC the worst in football despite us not even playing a game yet? But hey, I'd expect nothing less from a poster who disgracefully wants Miami to finish dead last to draft Barkley in 2013 even though this year's draft hasn't arrived. I hope we draft Tannehill just to watch your premature dreams of that #1 pick get crapped all over for the 2nd year in a row.
1. Has nothing to do with Flynn. Ireland's million other laughable decisions are why he's easily the worst GM in football. And 2. This team is garbage. I've been right about this team for the longest time, and I'm going to be right again this year. They can get Tannehill all they want, still won't stop us from getting a top 5 pick because this team is laughably devoid of talent.
I'm pretty sure they can only get him once no matter how bad they may want him. Though I guess in theory they could draft him, trade him away, trade for him again, release him and then resign him. That would be something.
Laugh now. Because I've been (sadly) laughing at all of the homers for a while now telling me every year this team is going to be fine and sneak in the playoffs. I'm betting you're one of them.
I watched him play Texas and Oklahoma and he stunk it up huge now granted I didn't get to watch all his games but I saw enough in those 2 games to not want to draft him. Now going about it across the board when I watched barkley or luck play this year they looked good in every game I watched.
When I posted earlier this morning when I got up and saw that Flynn signed with Seattle, I may have done so out of needing a cup of coffee first. It's no secret I was never a big fan of Flynn. I never felt 2 games was a ringing endorsement of his abilities as a starting quarterback, but I did always say that if Joe Philbin wanted him, we should have spared no expense to get him. My initial post was the assumption Philbin DID want him and the organization blew it...but then I thought about it. I stated in another thread that it's obvious the Dolphins organization wanted Joe Philbin's product, otherwise we'd still have Tony Sparano as our head coach. Joe Philbin wanted Mike Sherman as his offensive coordinator...Joe Philbin got him, but did Joe Philbin REALLY want Matt Flynn? I mean...REALLY wanted him? I somehow believe if Philbin WANTED Matt Flynn, he'd be donning aqua and coral, but since he's not, Philbin didn't really want him. Additionally, Matt Flynn HAD to know if he signed with Miami, he would have been the starting quarterback, directing the SAME offense in Miami that he directed as a back up in Green Bay...racking up impressive numbers and assumably numerous wins, which would have resulted in a new contract and a big payday. But alas, it's apparent he really didn't want to play for his old offensive coordinator...didn't want to play for the same man he played for in Green Bay and well...if he didn't want to play for him, just how much would he really have wanted to be in Miami? I'm with the other poster who said we need to put all this crap aside and get behind Matt Moore, dedicate an offseason to him as next year's projected starter and build around him. If this coaching staff developed Aaron Rodgers and Matt Flynn, does anyone have any doubt they wouldn't have the same effect on Matt Moore?
Since Sick posted this thread, does that mean it's cool to hate Jeff Ireland now? If this team suffers another 6-10 campaign, it will be time for our equivalent of the Millen Man March. Whose with me?
You think that's going to make things better? We've trotted in every free agent QB there is on the market, even David Garrard... then you expect anyone, Matt Moore included to believe that he's your guy? You tried every option to replace him during free agency, and failed. That's why he's your guy, not because you are convinced he's your guy. That's just a move to get everyone to laugh at the Dolphins even more. you try every way possible to replace the guy, then endorse him as your guy when you failed to replace him? Yikes... Not sure that's the right message at all.
Facts, is what I'm looking for Seth. Facts. Get your head out of hater *** for a second and you'll realize I'm not comparing the 72 dolphins to Ireland, I'm comparing the press' role in the vilification of both. That comparison is why the press and fans are crucifying him. You guys act like Ireland is worse thing that has ever happened to this franchise. Its insane. He is already leaps and bounds better than past illustrious GMs like Shula, Wanny, Mueller 7 Speilman. That doesn't make him great, but you have no idea why Flynn or manning aren't here. Again, end of this season we'll know about Ireland for a fact. Until then all this *****ing and ludicrous levels of vitriol are probably adding to the "vibe" all these "FAs" are running from.
