SO Glad We Did Not Get Jeff Fisher (Bounty Related)!

Its conspiracy to commit an act the NFL deems illegal.

 

What act is deemed illegal?

 

Have you watched football? Of course players are trying to actively hurt another player even if they do not do anything different in their approach. You can have one without the other. It isn't an either or situation.

Also everyone on defense IS trying to hurt the offensive player. In fact, the safety generally wants to get a good hit, that hurts the player so they will think twice before going over the middle. That is totally without a bounty.

By your logic it wouldn't make sense to give a player a bonus for making the playoffs because he is already trying to make the playoffs.

 

pretty sure any player at The U during it's heyday that we all grew up watching and cheering were getting paid extra when they knocked the snot out of someone...loved it then, but it's bad now?

 

Goddell "Did you order the code red!!!!"

Williams "you damn right I did!"

 

To those who take issue wit this I ask?
Is this any different from stars Orr buckeyes or lightning bolts or...on helmets from peewee football thru college?

I got quite a few stars on my helmet for laying out a running back.

So the pros use $$$ instead...That's the definition of professional isn't it? That you get paid for it, right?

If you aren't trying to knock the father mocker on the other side of the line into next Tuesday why are you there? But even with all that said, I would bet the same bounty nobody was trying to intentionally injure anyone else.

 

Golly, you guys are right.

I, and I alone have must of not only made up the whole idea of bounties, but also made up that the NFL is investigating them.

You guys are arguing as if I'm stating big foot exists.

 

I dunno to me it seems there's a pretty damn fine line between planting your helmet into a running backs knee or properly tackling him both hits deemed legal but intent is everything. No one wants to see what happened to ap this season to any star players it ruins the game if the best product isn't on the field because of hits like that.

 

sorry but if the intent is to injure, then it is dirty no matter the hit. To believe otherwise is ridiculous, I wonder if you would feel that way if they were taking you out?

bounty for a big hit, big int, big play. No problem whatsoever.

 

Its one thing to try and knock the snot out of someone with abone jarring hit...its another thing to start head hunting or going at the knees. Most players will try to hurt you, but they want to do it in a way that is still not dirty. When you start slamming guys heads into the ground and intentional helmet-to-helmets you are creating an unsafe climate for the game. Football is already a violent sport, it doesn't need any more incentive to be even more violent.

Also, you can't have a campaign for player safety and allow bounties. How can you actively pursue ways of making the game safer in the way of concussions but allow activities that reward players for doing the very thing you are trying to prevent? The league is going to come down on this and come down on this hard because it simply can't go on, not at the professional level.

 

if it is not a big deal why is the NFL investigating it? lol

I mean was Ndamukong Suh lighting up ESPN and news channels because of his good charity?

I have to agree with you, although i have no problem with general bounties... rewarding progress or something unique/special is a good thing..... and after playing defense I can say without a doubt that you do want to inflict as much pain and as hard a hit as possible.... but i still think bounties with the intent to cripple/disable/put out of commission or whatever is pretty f'd up.

 

Frankly, as a fan, I could care less. A bunch of my friends who are also fans don't really care. I think of this like the Jack Nicholson speech in "A Few Good Men".....'deep down, at places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall'...while it may be ugly, bounties are a necessary evil.

As to Suh, that man is a world class a$$hole.....on and off the field. And the last bit of news around here was about charity, and Hannah Storm being here to talk about his donation to the University of Nebraska's engineering and athletic departments to the tune of $2.6 million.....

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...g-suh-named-americas-most-charitable-athlete/


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I have two issues with the bounty system. First the implication is an intent to injure. There is a difference between trying to hurt someone and trying to injure someone. I have no problem with trying to snot-bubble a guy, that's part of the game. But trying to end somebody's career is different. I don't believe that the bounties were meant to encourage illegal hits, but the implication is close enough that the NFL has to quash it. Second, it circumvents the salary cap. This seems self-explanatory.

 

Really?

It is like I am writing something and you are reading something completely different.

 

While I don't think its right to put a bounty on a player, and reward him for injuring a guy or something... I don't see why this is a big deal. This kind of thing was common place in the league as few as 15-20 years ago. To think that it completely stopped is just being naive. I'm not saying I think its right to encourage guys to go out there and hurt someone on purpose, but... its a fine line really. Football is a game where anyone can basically have their career ended on any given play in a game, whether intentional or not. It's not like these guys are there contributing hundreds of thousands of dollars into a bounty pot, from what Ive heard, its all been small amounts. Guy late for a meeting... throws $50 in the pot. Guy doesnt bring in some sort of breakfast in the morning when it's his turn... throws $50 in. At the end of the week, from what I've been hearing were talking payouts here for like $500. I havent read alot, or listened alot on the story, because quite frankly I don't care.

The mindset of defensive players has ALWAYS been... "I need to hit the QB, and hit him as hard as I physically can to make him uncomfortable in the pocket, because when he's uncomfortable, he wont be as effective." If that leads to an injury, then so be it. It's part of the game unfortunately. Offering a guy an extra couple hundred bucks to do a job he's being paid millions to do... really doesn't have much impact IMO.

But for more info on bounties... I suggest you all pick up a copy of "The Football Code: Football's Unwritten Rules and Its Ignore-at-Your-Own-Risk Code of Honor by Ross Bernstein" Excellent read on some of the... no so pretty aspects of the game that some may not be aware of, especially the younger crew. Here's a link to it at Amazon. I really enjoyed reading it.

http://www.amazon.com/Football-Code-Footballs-Unwritten-Ignore-at-Your-Own-Risk/dp/1600781756/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331047191&sr=8-1

 

lmao... nice one....... I really have to admit that is the definition of irony as far as my post goes..... and i had a very good laugh...... you win this time good sir. i did not see that coming

Lol.

either way it was just an example. But i can agree to disagree as a whole

 

No, you just made up the fact that bounties change the way players play.

Sure, the NFL is investigating them. Technically its usurping the salary cap. But more importantly its a piece of a PR campaign born from litigation from former players.

 

Technically the bounty is illegal. Its circumventing the salary cap. There should definitely be punishment for that. Where I disagree with the consensus here is that these "bounties" encouraged players to change the way they actually played the game. Its really just a novelty in my eyes.

 

I don't think it changes the way they generally play wrt how hard they hit someone, but it can impact their decision making process to maybe get in a few extra late hits to try and collect the bounties, if for nothing else than pride.

 

Exactly. If a player is going to change what he does, its going to result in breaking the rules somehow (i.e. late hits).

 

Somewhere in Bangladesh, people are wondering what all the fuss is about.

 

Favre said the Saints got flagged for it, but not as many times as he felt they could have been. That's what I took from hearing a reporter read the quote from Favre's phone interview.

 

On the play in the last Jets game when Bess hurt his knee, at the time of the hit, some guys were saying the Jets defender intentionally went for Bess' knees to tackle him, even though he didn't have to, to bring him down. Seems like it was one of their LBs, maybe Scott. That was a dirty, unnecessary, yet legal hit. Those kind of plays are the things Williams was paying bounties for IMO.

 

Look, either players are being rewarding for targeting and crippling certain players or they aren't.

 

i made up nothing.

You are making up that the players are already trying to cripple other players.

 

Right now that is just speculation.

 

They're being rewarded with or without bounties.

 

I would be glad to see the evidence supporting players changing their technique.

 

I posted a quote from Bob Golic that says he was. I have also heard Kevin Gogan says he did.

 

You better listen to what Anthony Hargrove was overheard to say during the Vikings game for the NFC Championship, if you think that.

 

What did he say? If he said something then that makes it less speculation.

 

Do you think Hargrove would have said anything differently if the "bounty" wasn't in place? Do you think he wouldn't have tried to knock the opposing team's best player out of the game?

 

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Also, keep in mind Hargrove was fined $25k for illegal hits in that game, which is much more than any "bounty" that was in place.

 

Would he not say that if there wasn't a bounty?

 

IMO, absolutely. He lost $25k for illegal hits, so even if he collected, he still suffered a net-loss.

 

Yes he would have. If there wasn't a bounty, he wouldn't have said something to the effect of "Favre's out of the game, where's my money?"

 

Then there is no point of a bounty and they shouldn't exist. Which is it?

 

I believe I already stated so much. The bounty serves no purpose other than camaraderie/engagement. It has no effect on technique used.

Surely, when the NO Saints look back on that NFC championship game, they remember winning the NFC before they ever think about a $2k reward they received for a play.

 

Awesome. Two players. Rock. Solid. Proof.

Please explain how if players were already going out to cripple other players why there were bounties.