*The Official 2011-12 NBA Thread*

I'll say C?

 

Trick question.

Anderson Varejao was almost twice as productive as ALL of those guys I put on that list. and Varejao was on a putrid team.

 

Jodie Meeks might be the worst transition 3 point shooter ever.

 

I am using WP (Wins Produced)

Varejao was more productive than Melo the last year Lebron was in Cleveland as well. Predictably, Varejao has taken off since Lebron left.

Wins Produced takes into account, the total impact one player has in any individual game.

For example. If player X went out and scored 80 points on 45% shooting. The media would lose their minds over this feat. What they don't take into account, is that Shooting for volume is the most detrimental thing ANY basketball player can do to their team.

 

On this subject, according to WP, Jodie Meeks is the Sixers worst player.

 

You know you're smarter than that.

 

Color me not surprised. If there's one thing that Collins is doing that's pissing me off, it's playing this guy as much as he does, instead of Turner, who does everything better except shoot 3s. His ability to stretch the floor becomes more and more meaningless when Jrue and Iguodala are both shooting 40% from 3. And then Lou Williams comes off the bench shooting 38% from 3. I'd much rather have Turner's defense, rebounding, and ballhandling/playmaking ability over Meeks and his 25% on transition 3s.

 

That link shows NOTHING except what ive said a million times...I would have loved Lebron to NY. Ill break this down to you one more time.

1.) I couldnt care less wich state Lebron left? Im not a Cavs fan? Infact the bandwagon Cav fans around Columbus made me sick. Not sure what "Ohio" has to do with it.
2.) I think Lebron is mentally weak both within the media and in games, he has developed this reputation with many more people than me and Larry Bird.
3.) For the 19 Billionth time...I WISH LEBRON WOULDVE BEEN A KNICK.
4.) He is NOT a Knick so I will not apologize for him, and you guys will continue to think there is an agenda behind it.
5.) This is a "Miami" forum so I realize what Im up against, but Im the last dude to run away from a good ole fashioned "heat-ed" debate.

BTW Alen's post on Lebron having a huge huge ego??? Fkin priceless.

Either way Im funner to hate than Boik because he has to obide by a whole different set of rules...i on the other hand do not. And I will be the 1st person in this thread to congratulate the Heat if they win a title.

 

Bookmarked.

 

RT@ESPNStatsInfo: With 15 in the half, Lin has the most Pts of any player in 1st 4 starts since merger surpassing Allen Iverson

 

Points scored, in a vacuum, is meaningless. Anyone can score points with enough shots. What matters more is how efficient a player is at scoring points when given the opportunity, not how many opportunities he has.

 

I had to refresh the page to make sure this is what you actually wrote. Come on, Boik. Don't confuse ball hogging with clutch play. It's bad enough the media does this with Derrick Rose.

 

This. When you have the ball in your hands every play the last few minutes of a basketball game, of course there's going to be "clutch" scoring. Where was all this clutch scoring when the Nuggets could only get out of the 1st round once with Carmelo? Carmelo's never really done anything to wow me in clutch moments the way Reggie Miller or Kobe has.

 

You said "Kobe" DUCK!!

 

Oh well....so much for that

 

The metric DOES take into account their roles, and FGA's are not a detriment. Being INEFFICIENT with those FGA's is.

Allen Iverson was not the worst player ever. he got to the free throw line, and played very good defense. he dominated his position more often than not.

 

You see, this is the problem. You lumped in Larry Bird as somehow saying that Lebron James was mentally weak, when he said no such thing. That is the problem. You create your own narratives that don't exist, then quote them.

Now, let me put up a Larry Bird quote so the rest of the forum can see what I mean by this:

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/30100689

See?

 

Your correct, I misquoted Bird...but let's not pretend this isn't a pretty common opinion.

 

And until it comes from someone like Shouright, it will continue to be bull****.

 

Shouright? Sure miss that guy..

 

You are right. it is a common opinion. Those that seek to make a name by pushing a narrative (Media types), and his haters, of which he has plenty share it.

I am just saying it is virtually impossible to do what he has done and be "mentally weak".

He had a gift and made the absolute most he could possibly make of it, and he is still improving. mentally weak people don't do that.

 

He's back

 

Killerphin should be happy

 

What? Lin was horrible yesterday, especially when Rubio was guarding him.

 

Horrible? Lol

 

bulls are getting rondoed

 

8-24 and 6 turnovers. That's horrible.

 

And Rubio was 5-15. The same 33%.

Lin had 6 rebounds to Rubio's 2, and both had 8 assists.

So, I guess you were sort of right: that Rubio slowed down Lin. But Lin has now outplayed Kobe and Rubio in back to back games.

I wouldn't call that horrible after you've played your 5th game in 7 nights and compiled approximately 37 mpg in those 5 games.

 

Whaaaaa? Those are Kobe numbers

 

This isn't about who he out played or how Rubio played. This is about how Lin played. He was very bad. 33% shooting and 6 turnovers is horrible.

I don't agree that Lin out played Rubio. They both shot 33%. Lin had more rebounds but he also had 4 more turnovers. They were both very bad.

 

Also GO HEAT (-4.5).. ...

 

He was Clutch....you know, clutch?

 

How was he clutch? How does that change the fact that he was horrible? He shot 33% percent and turned the ball over 6 times. That's very bad.

 

Clutch means you're automatically better than everyone else. Duh.

 

I suggest you write him a letter explaining your emotional involvement in his performance.

 

I'll get right on it.

 

I won't dispute that this was by far Lin's worst game of his 5 games. But Rubio was worse. If you don't agree with that then I'm not sure what else to say. It was quite clear that if you had to choose the lesser of two evils in that game, Lin was clearly it.