*The Official 2011-12 NBA Thread*

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  1. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That goes without saying but no way would I ratehr have Isiah. If these clowns gave Coach pringles a PG he would still win 45-50 games

    Rubio just needs to improve his shot selection and he will be right there. Rubio reminds me a lot of Kidd in his younger days.
     
  2. Frumundah Finnatic

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    Welll think of it this way, the Big Three would have cared more if they played a team that isnt disturbingly godawful(as the Knicks are).
    So had Melo played, the Heat would have put in more effort and this would be a 30 point win by Miami.
     
  3. Boik14

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    So was amare. Both were bad.

    Im 100% sure youre right. They never shoot like that with Melo in the lineup for two reasons...1 they arent that good and 2 the iso plays that Coach Pringles calls are not the same as the way Karl called them. Karl's offense maintained better spacing even on iso's.
     
  4. Clipse

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    They would have a real big man next year if they didn't make the mistake of passing on Jonas Valenciunas.
     
  5. Boik14

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    As it is, Tristan Thompson will be starting soon enough. Hes not a true C but he can play PF at a legit 6'9" and hes good. I dont know if hes as good as some of his predecessors (Durant and Aldridge) but I also dont know that thats a reasonable expectation. He will be a legit starter though.
     
  6. Clipse

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    Not a fan. Was scratching my head why they took a fringe top 10 pick like him with the 4th overall pick. Still am. Might be a solid Carl Landry type player at best, but Valenciunas was the obvious pick imo.
     
  7. Section126

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    BTW, I noticed that some Knicks fans said that their "perimeter" defense was "bad". It isn't. Perimeter defense is about staying in front of people and defending guards. In that respect, the Heat's perimeter defense is unrivaled in basketball, and you have to go to the 90's Bulls to find a better one.

    The Knicks just shot three point shots that the Heat defense was allowing.

    The Knicks just chucked 3's. The Knicks set a Heat Opponent RECORD for threes made of 18.

    With Melo, the Knicks do not set a Record, and try to play their version of half court offense, and get smashed by 20. Without Melo, exactly what I told you happened. I said the Heat would win by 8. They won by 10.

    Bosh was bad, it had to come. Guy had shot an ungodly good percentage for too long, it had to drop.

    But Chalmers was in foul trouble all night. Remember that RIO is averaging 12 points a game on 51% shooting and is in the league leaders in threes.

    LBJ was LBJ and Wade was Wade.

    As for Amare...what happened to him was predictable. The WARDEN owns him, and the Heat's defensive game plan was to collapse on him all night..thus the open threes.

    This is not trash talk..but the Knicks are light years away from the Heat. The Heat allowed a record 18 threes and still won by 10 with Bosh playing bad and Chalmers in foul trouble. Knicks replaced Melo and then some, but shot a terrible percentage overall. They shot 41.9% from three with 18 makes. That is an ungodly percentage and as well as you can shoot the three in a NBA game. and they still lost by 10.

    and I will take my win on the Scrub to shoot lights out too. But Bill Walker is useful. Guy plays hard. You win with a guy like that.

    As for the rookies...Shump Shump ..I really like. The athleticsm was off the charts. There is alot to work with there. Norris Cole was okay..and pretty good considering he had to play alot because Chalmers was in foul trouble.

    In closing...THE WARDEN made his case for a backdoor all star game berth. (He has a chance with the injuries at center in the east now)

    No hyperbole..there is not a better individual block/elbow defending "big" in the NBA. You sick him on a feature PF...and he has it.
     
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    As for the Knicks overall....I would really offer up Melo to NJ for Deron Williams...and that is enough to be a serious contender. (you add Gerald Wallce in FA..and that isthe EC finals matchup...Knicks vs. Heat) Let's face it..as constituted, the East is tailor made for easy finals trips for the Heat. That move can add another contender and another team the Heat has to worry about.
     
  9. Boik14

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    Thats the only thing I disagree with you on out of those two posts. If you do a Amare + Chandler for D12 swap without taking Hedo's silly deal back then you sign Deron outright for 12 or 13M you would have left to play with. Deron is not having a max contract kind of year....Otherwise you have 12M to throw at Nash (obvious choice after Deron), Ray Allen, Duncan, KG or whatever other useful vets are willing to take reasonable deals.
     
  10. Section126

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    remember that you are trying to beat the Heat. D12 is worthless vs. the Heat. The Heat do well against him, not because of personnel. They throw every biog body at him and foul him incessantly and he puts in his 13 and 15 game and the Heat yawn as they win by 10.

    Dwight Howard is grotesquely overrated. if the Knicks want to win 58 games and grab #2 seeds and threaten for #1 seeds..then fine. But in the playoffs..you need efficient scoring in the last 5 minutes..and Howard is a mess on that end and a offense killer.

    Howard is fools gold. Obsolete. The "center" is a dinosaur. You want specialists..such as Chandler (the best specialist in the game) and guys like THE WARDEN.
     
  11. Boik14

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    See I agree with you on Howard to a degree which is why I want Anthony with Deron Williams. You have a go to scorer who you and I know does one thing well but hes an elite at it with ice in his veins. You have a PG to control the tempo and offense so everything on offense doesnt have to run through Howard. hes essentially your 2nd option but Williams takes that role late because hes a more reliable foul shooter who isnt so easily contained. Im also not so sure Howards performance wouldnt improve vs Miami with a better supporting cast. You put two other star players who can carry their weight like Anthony and Williams working with Howard...thats a tough matchup. This is why I feel a stretch 4 and slasher at the two are ideal compliments to those 3 players. You can even put another shooter at the 2 if you wanted to and the cap allowed it. Make sense now?
     
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    interesting. but you need a dead eye killer three point shooter at the 4 with that lineup (can't afford Ryan Anderson $$$)..Heat has a plethora of wings to slow down Melo and get the game in the mud....Or a Ray Allen clone would be ideal. (The real one is soon to be a specialist as well)

    But I can see it...that team will need a ton of specialists, which can be found. Still don't like the lack of post scoring on that team..but that does get you to the EC finals..and who knows?
     
  13. Boik14

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    So for specialists you sign Rudy Fernandez for the vet minimum or thereabouts, see if Terrence Williams doesnt get his option picked up (which right now doesnt seem likely), best available Pg for the vet minimum (preferably Baron again), See if Anderson doesnt get his option picked up and if he does offer the 2.5M exception to Erson Ilyasova (until you can do better).
     
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  14. Clipse

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    None of those "specialists" play any defense. You need defense in this league. Perimeter defense. That's why the 76ers boast the best defense. They play the best perimeter defense in the league.
     
  15. Section126

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    Philly's defensive ranking is a weird one. The PACE factor is just right for a #1 Def. in Efficiency..but the Rebound Rate is strangely low for a top defense. Dig deeper and you have a very low 3 point percentage agaisnt and teams are not getting to the line vs. Philly and then you have your answer.

    You beat Philly by attacking the paint. Doug Collins has done a masterful job at getting teams to "settle". This ranking will hold for a while..too many dumb teams in the NBA.
     
  16. Clipse

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    It's not that simple. Iguodala is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. Jrue Holiday is turning into one of the best. Turner and Thad have been forces defensively as well. It's no coincidence that the top 2 defenses in the league, allow the most 16-23 foot shot attempts in the league. So yea, if you can get past the perimeter defense, the Sixers are an average team at defending the rim, though they do block a fair amount of shots. Our real achilles heel is defending other centers though. We give up the 2nd most PPG to opposing centers. However, that doesn't really matter this day and age. There's no centers that can dominate games anymore.

    As Collins says, lock down the perimeter and rotate to the paint, and force teams to shoot mid range shots, and you'll win. Unless you're playing the Heat anyways, Chris Bosh doesn't miss mid range shots apparently...
     
  17. Clipse

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    You know any websites with advanced defensive statistics for players? Seems I can only find advanced offensive statistics and team defense statistics.
     
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    Use NBA Stats cube and matchup players against each other. They give you shot charts, and head to head numbers.

    If you want to compare Iggy vs. other SF's..that should be easy.
     
  19. Anonymous

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    http://www.mysynergysports.com/ This is a pretty good website although I don't know what type of stats you are looking for.
     
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    I tried that but it doesn't seem to work. So nothing like ProFootballFocus where they would have Iggy's defensive stats vs. every player he defended all in one?

    Edit - Looks like NBA Stats Cube works on Firefox but not Chrome
     
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    no. you gotta go to each one.

    You can do comparisons if you want...

    use this site for that:

    http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketbal...6ers/players/andre-iguodala/profile/11/23/327

    ON efficiency overall in his direct matchup...Iggy was 40-21 in his matchups. in the 40 games in which he won his matchup, the Sixers were 24-16. 5-16 in the ones he lost.

    That is the best site there is. It follows scoring on my game charts, pretty close. Takes into account total efficiency.
     
  22. Clipse

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    That seems to be exactly what I'm looking for. Is it free?

    Edit - Looks free to me, though you can pay to get unlimited video
     
  23. Clipse

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    Yea I use that site a lot. I was specifically looking to see what FG% Jrue Holiday, Iguodala, and Turner are holding their matchups too. That synergysports seems to do just that. Would be much better if you could compare it with the rest of the league, but that's better than nothing.
     
  24. Clipse

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    Looks like Jrue is holding his man to a beastly 33.3% from the field.
     
  25. Anonymous

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    I'm pretty sure it is. It doesn't have player comparisons, though. There is a subscription you can pay for, so maybe they have more advanced stats with it.

    Let me know how you like it. I love this website.
     
  26. Clipse

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    This website is badass. Apparently for $40 I can get all Sixers games 2009 through this season. If I want to see all pick and roll plays or whatever, I can sort through different scenarios. About to whip out the debit card on this one... Trying to figure out if it's 40 a year or what...
     
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    BTW..that site..synergy, is the same site all the teams use.
     
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    Is there any way to compare one player vs. the whole league or no? Not seeing that option anywhere so guess not. Still, exactly what I'm looking for. Like a basketball version of ProFootballFocus.
     
  29. Clipse

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    I'm going to be on this site all morning...
     
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    Never realized how awful Dwight Howard is at guarding his man... Speaking of bigs guarding their man, Brand's numbers are incredible. Hawes numbers are horrific. So is Vucevic and Battie, I see why we're giving up the 2nd most PPG to centers...
     
  31. Anonymous

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    You have to remember the sample size. It's only been about 17 games.
     
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    I too would like to know that. It's like they don't want to tell you until you purchase it and then you find out it's 40 a month, lol.
     
  33. Clipse

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    True, but I think 17 games is a good indicator. Even then, I've heard people saying Dwight isn't a good man defender in the past, just never been able to look at the individual stats. I'll take the best shotblocker in the league any day over the best man post defender though. Dominant post scorers are a thing of the past it seems.
     
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    Looks to me like it's $40 a season. I've sent them an email though, so I'll post in here when I get a response. I'm definitely interested if that's the case.
     
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    Wow, may be a good site to reference for gambling purposes...any similar ones with College ball?
     
  36. Clipse

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    Got emailed back, it's a seasonal thing. One payment of $40 lasts until the end of the offseason, which is 9/30/2012. Then you can renew for the next season.
     
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    That's what I expected. That's awesome news, thanks.
     
  38. Clipse

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    Byron Mullens MIP?
     
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    [video=youtube;bxGcz8Ov2nQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxGcz8Ov2nQ&feature=player_embedded[/video]
     
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    Kemba Walker gets a triple double, and between just him and Diaw they have 21 assists yet still lose?
     
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