Isn't that combo blocking? I have always figured that in man blocking, you are assigned a man based on the play and the defensive formation. That zone blocking, you are assigned an area.
If the top pass rusher (Coples) is off the board, how would you feel about drafting an elite, potential HOF guard at #8 or #9 for roughly $12 million to pair with Pouncey.... and with the speedy Reggie and 1 cut runner like Thomas at RB? A lot of people are pegging us with a RT, but I'd almost rather have the next Steve Hutchinson type interior player than a solid to great tackle. You?
What you are saying is correct, but I've always seen zone blocking use some kind of combo block at the point of attack. Now some teams include combo blocks in man schemes, but I've always seen those referred to as rub blocks where you basically chip and then move on to the next level defender. Zone blocking's primary goal is to move the defense off that area. That's why I feel you can avoid losses on run plays b/c usually two guys can push back one and as long as your back hits the hole, you shouldn't lose yardage.
My primary goal is Tannehill or Weedon at 8/9. I think they're both potentially better than Flynn and Manning is short term at best. I like DeCastro as a player, actually I think he's a better G prospect than most of the other potentials are at their position. But I still think I'd get the pass rusher over the G.
BINGO 2 years with the best teacher versus someone who may not get the job done just because he will not be moving is a poor excuse for a hire!
That makes sense that zone blocking would have a lot more combo blocks than a man blocking scheme. I do know that combo blocks are used in a man blocking scheme.
Yes, they were, but that doesn't mean it was Sherman's preference. It could have very well been the preference of the offensive coordinator and Sherman gave him autonomy to install what he preferred, just as Gary Kubiak did with Sherman himself in Houston. We don't know until we see it, or someone says something.
Probably zone, due to the fact you need fast and athletic lineman for the screen passes and what not. Normally, the fast and athletic lineman are a little on the smaller side and excel more in the zone blocking system than the man blocking. If we get DeCastro we would have one hell of a zone blocking line between him and Pouncey.
I personally would take Tannehill at 8/9 but that'd be too high for me for Weedon. My top 5 are probably: 1. Tannehill 2. Coples (now that he's doing some proving during Senior Week) 3. Michael Brockers (if we let Soliai & Langford walk). Mario Williams - Brockers - Odrick - Wake sounds good to me. 4/5. DeCastro/Kirkpatrick (not sure the order) *assuming Blackmon and Claiborne are off the board*
You can find both, I dunno what the numeric breakdown is but I think it'd be close to even. The original WCO involved a lot of finesse-oriented man blocking with pulling and trapping. But on the other hand, what the perception is when zone blocking is discussed is Mike Shanahan's variant of the WCO developed around outside zone stuff. You can find pretty much any offensive tree with either kind or both kinds of blocking.
They won't draft tannehill he is going to take a few years to develop and ross is desperate to win now. but I really do love weeden but not at 8 or 9.I would not be opposed to trading back and picking up weeden later in the first round if we don't get flynn.
Because of his age, most NFL insiders don't see Weeden going in the draft until the third or fourth round. Some team may be willing to draft him as high as the late second round, but I see no chance of him being a first round selection. Maybe if he was 22 or 23 beginning next year, he would be a first round selection, but not at age 29. Tannehill has a lot of upside but I just don't see him going in the first round either. He played against three decent defenses this past season, Oklahoma, Texas, and Arkansas. Texas A&M loss all three of these games and Tannehill threw 5 TD passes and 5 interceptions in these three games. This is certainly not the stats I would expect from a QB taken in the first round of the draft. I have been saying all along that I don't see Tannehill drafted in the first round and I certainly hope the Dolphins would not be foolish enough to draft him with their top ten selection in the draft.
If he was 22 or 23 he would easily be a top 10 pick. I agree with you that Weeden will most likely not be a first round pick though. I could easily see a team take him in the early 2nd round like Andy Dalton was taken last year. That being said, Tannehill should still go in the first round pick due to his upside.
Ross is the owner, hence he doesn't have to worry about being fired by himself. If he thinks Tannehill will be the long term answer at QB for his billion dollar franchise, then he'll give the go-ahead to draft him, especially considering this team has shown it has some chemistry with Moore and can win with him in the meantime.
Don't know if anyone mentioned it yet, but Sherman could give up some really good information regarding Tannehill. I wonder if this makes it more likely we take him?
I hope so! Tannehill is my first choice at 8/9. If not him, then Courtney Upshaw would be nice and maybe Weeden in round 2. But actually I want Tannehill. I'm just against Flynn. Not sold on him.
I hope you're not assessing Tannehill based on the stats of 3 games. I certainly hope Miami would be wise enough to draft him with their top ten selection. lol.
I imagine it will be the same deal with Joe Philbin and Flynn. He's coached Tannehill. He should know better than anyone whether or not he;s capable of being an NFL franchise QB.
Tannehill started his career at Texas A&M as a WR. Of course he's going to make mistakes. He's raw, but he has the pure talent that makes him a no brainer to go in the 1st round for me. He's not a QB you want to make a starter from day one, but neither is RG3 as far as I'm concerned. You give him a couple years to develop, and you could have a stud in your hands. Pairing him with a Peyton Manning to start for a few years and aid in the development of Tannehill would be an ideal situation.
Between Philbin and Matt Flynn and Sherman and Tannehill we might finally get this QB thing figured out.
Ross wants to have asses in the seats and drafting tannehill and have him sit on the bench for 2 years is not going to do it.He is is either going to sign manning(I hope not I think he is done)or sign flynn and maybe sell out to move up for griffin. Do you really think ireland the guy that is going to be drafting can afford to wait for a guy with limited college experience to develop?He needs tro win now or he is going to be flipping burgers at burgar king.
I disagree. IMO Weedon will go in the first round. It's fans that are primarily hung up on the age. As for Tannehill, you're also wrong about him not going in the 1st. Gil Brandt, Russ Lande, Bunting and Mayock all have him his as a first round QB. Actually, Brandt and Lande specifically said top 10. Bunting's analysis specifically said "franchise QB". Fans get caught up on stats, but the scouts won't.
I would say no correlation. I think it originally started with man blocking, but nowadays either is used.
These best thing about discussions like this is we will both be able to see in May if the NFL teams feel the same way you do or I do in regards to these two QB's. I still don't see Weeden going in the first round because of his advanced age and unless the Broncos decide to take Tannehill with their pick at number 25, I don't see any other team taking him in the first round. I certainly don't see the Dolphins using a top ten pick on a player who will have to sit and learn for the next two years. You may be right about these QB's and I may be completely wrong. We shall see how the draft works out in May.
FLYNN needs to be our top choice not drafting mid-2nd or third rounder and hoping hes the savior. Many college players just don't make it in the NFL for whatever reason. I would spend the money it would cost for drafting a QB high on Flynn as he already knows the system, and using our first round pick on another of our pressing needs.
How do you guys feel about trading down, getting another 2nd, and still drafting Weeden in the late 1st?
I have no interest in seeing the Dolphins trade down, nor do I have interest in seeing the Dolphins draft a 29 year old in the first round. In fact I have no interest in seeing the Dolphins draft Weeden at all. I just don't see him being a franchise type QB and he is not an upgrade over Moore, as far as I am concerned. If the Dolphins trade their pick in the first round, it should be to move up in the draft to select RG3. If they are unable to move up enough to get RG3, they should just stay at pick 8 or 9 and take the best player available with that pick. Trading down in the first round only means the Dolphins would be picking a lower rated player in that round. The Dolphins have done poorly with their second round picks, so trading down to secure another 2nd round pick does not assure that the Dolphins would even get a starting caliber player with this additional pick.
I'm tired of getting cute in the draft with trying score the best deal EVAR!! If someone is available that we want at our pick, then just pick them. When we are as successful as the Pats then we can be big time players in draft trades, until then just pick the players.
Where Flynn goes will be a big factor. Does Flynn take Cleveland, Washington, Miami or Seattle out of potentially taking a QB? I could easily see Washington as a player for Tannehill, but then again, Shanahan is coaching Weedon at the Senior Bowl so they might fall in love with Weedon there. By all accounts he's been far and away the best QB there. My hope is that Washington goes for RG3, either by trading up or b/c he drops and then Miami can choose between Tannehill and Weedon. With Philbin and Sherman in place they should have great reads on Flynn and Tannehill and better than most reads on RG3 and Weedon.
With Tannehill at least, it's no longer just about my being right or wrong. Now many of the most respected QB analysts are saying the same thing I've been saying for months.
You may end up being correct but I still don't see the Dolphins drafting Tannehill or Weeden in the first round. I think that if the Dolphins are on the clock and Tannehill and Weeden are still on the board in the first round, the Dolphins will select an offensive lineman or a defensive player. As far as you wanting the Redskins to pick RG3, so Tannehill and Weeden will still be on the board. I think that RG3 is going to have a far better NFL career than either Weeden or Tannehill. Personally I hope Shanahan falls in love with Weeden and selects him and that RG3 is still on the board when the Dolphins select in the first round.
I like RG3 but he is a high risk pick to me. I put decision making at or near the top of my list in importance and he's a guy who simply hasn't had to make reads in college. He doesn't read the defense before the snap and he doesn't read post-snap. He may eventually be great at it, but you'll never know from his game tape or from interviews or Combine or Pro day workouts. It's also not about intelligence. You'll be picking him blind. He also has shown poor pocket awareness. He is a great timing passer and you have to loves his speed and leadership, but even if all those are great, poor decision making or pocket awareness can still result in a bust. The Dolphins have to solve the QB position is some form of long-term manner. If they don't get Flynn, then they better get either Tannehill, Weedon or RG3 or hope that some later pick surprises like a Brady. My feeling is that short of convincing Indy to part with the pick for Luck, that those four are the only ones that give the team a realistic shot at securing a long-term franchise guy. I see Moore as a stop gap, that has less upside than those four.
