Chad Henne in the WCO

It works both ways .If I said the Henne backers opinions dont hold merit because they fail to see the whole picture and comprehend that he has numerous faults, would I be right?

 

I was just using the Henne hater mentality with Moore to see what kind of excuses they would make for Moore's past after disallowing Henne any. I like Moore and would have no problem with him remaining the starter provided we keep playing to his strengths.

 

All the Henne realists here admit the coaches were partially at fault. But its almost comical that you fail to see or admit he had quite a few faults of his own.

 

These guys will just make up whatever they want to support their weak arguments, you can't win. I hope Philbin resigns Henne. That would be perfect.

 

Amen brother! Well said!

 

Perfect why? Because he has the best chance at helping us win games? Or perfect because of personal reasons.

 

My biggest concern about Henne regardless of fit in the offense would be these numbers, 49.3, 58.4, and 11.5. These are his Quarterback Ratings in the 4th Quarter in games within 7 points in 2009, 2010, and 2011. This is the time that the leader of the offense would ideally step up, not get worse.

I agree that he made progress this year and has a tremendous arm, but that has to be atleast somewhat concerning if we're planning on resigning him to be our future.

 

Every young QB has faults. It's the responsibility of the organization and coaching staff around him to develop him, especially when that QB is open to development rather than being reliant on talent alone. If all 3 guys responsible for his development are fired, then they obviously weren't doing their jobs to develop both him and the offense.

 

The way I see it, the typical Henne basher says something along the lines of his QB rating and TD:Int ratio were this and this, so he was bad, awful, sucks, garbage, etc etc. The typical Henne supporter, like Todd, make an effort to break it down, and look at and try to convey to anyone with an open mind, why his QB Rating was whatever and why he had X number of TDs, and X number of INTs.

After looking at how Alex Smith played this season, would you feel pretty good going forward if he was our QB? When looking at how he did, one should consider while he does have an All Pro level TE and a strong ground game, he overall gets very little help from his wideouts. His overall body of work during his first 4 seasons in the league, not even counting '08 when he was out all season with injury, was worse than Henne's first 4 seasons. Was that all Smith's fault? The casual observer would probably lay the blame all on Smith. But simply looking at the complete circumstances, it's readily apparent to the open minded that it wasn't all his fault or even mostly his fault.

Just like Todd said in an earlier post, as an example of the importance of situation and circumstances with the various QBs, what if San Fran had taken Rodgers 1st overall and Smith slid to the 20s and was taken by Green Bay? Think about where each would be right now in their respective career paths.
Could anyone seriously think for one second that Rodgers would have a ring by now, or set a pile of passing records? If Smith rode the bench for 3 yrs behind Favre and then stepped into a starting role in a stable offensive system like Green Bay would he have been called a bust like he was before 2011?

 

Check out Moore's 4th quarter ratings, no better.

 

One more amen brother!!!

 

Again,works both ways. Last time I checked Henne most likely wont be in the Dolphins mix next year. Why do you think that is? If Henne was expected to gel under new coaches why is the F.O. eager to get a franchise QB??, or trade for a promising one??, or draft a rookie??.....If they truly believed in Henne we`d know it by now.

 

This post has valid points.

 

I'm not a huge fan of Matt Moore as the future but, 2009 - 137.5, 2010 - 89.4, and 2011 - 81.0. Those numbers seem a little bit better.

Now I do believe that Henne is a better fit for the West Coast Offense because he seems more comfortable with check downs and short to intermediate throws. Where as Matt Moore prefers to sling it deep and let his guys make the plays to a fault.

 

I have never not admitted that he didn't have any faults or areas of needed improvement. Never.

You speak of "coaches partially being at fault" as if it's no big thing..... just small potatoes really. lol.

A young QB will show little to no development or success under poor coaching no matter how talented he is, while an average to poorly talented one will quickly regress and seem like an utter bust. The fact that Henne didn't completely regress under 3 years of Henning (after every other QB in history has) shows me that Chad actually has some talent and potential. We're not talking about a QB-friendly Packers, Patriots, Eagles, Giants, Lions, Falcons, or Harbaugh-run Niner offense that Henne failed to show sufficient development in; it was a crappy Henning offense led by a no longer head coach Tony Sparano.

 

That's my point Todd. In 3 years, Henne has not had a normal situation. He had garbage for coaching. As soon as Daboll was the coordinator he instantly showed HUGE improvement. Unfortunately the rest of the team regressed. I want to see what he can do with a GOOD coach and a FULL season. Sadly, I don't think it will be here, he will be a star someplace else and we will once again let a player go before they developed and we will watch them have success someplace else.

 

That could happen. All this talk about which one of them fits the WCO etc, basically means very little, when one considers Philbin's comment about the WCO: -"Well, as I was saying earlier in the day, I've been in the West Coast system for nine years and I'm still not exactly sure what that means. With that being said, I think it's a mistake to just take the Green Bay Packers playbook and plop it out on the table here in South Florida. So one of the things in coaching, one of your responsibilities in coaching is to put your players in the best position to succeed. So we got to learn more about our players and learn what they do well. We got to hide what they don't do as well, extenuate the positives. Again, as we start to build our staff, as we evaluate the roster, as we look at their unique talents and abilities we'll start formulating a plan. There are certain characteristics obviously of the offense that's going to come down here, but I don't want to say that we're just going to take the playbook, copy it, and change Green Bay to Miami and move forward like that."

I've said this all along, but what I'd like to see us do is of course keep Moore, maybe extend him 2 more years even, resign Henne for a deal similar to what Moore got last year, 2 yrs/5mil, then draft a QB, either Tannehill, Weeden, or Foles. We should be able to get one of them without using the 8/9 pick. Moore could go into the season as the starter, with Henne probably the best #2 in the league, and the rook could hold the clipboard, watch and learn for a year. Then depending on how things shake out, adjust accordingly. The reason I would extend Moore now, is because IMO, it is likely he improves even more in '12, with an offseason to get ready in the Philbin offense, and if he does go out and put up a 90-95 passer rating, then becomes a free agent, he'll be expensive, and if he does improve like that, you're going to want to stick with him the following season. Having Henne as the #2 means that if Moore got hurt or significantly regressed, you could make a switch and still compete in 2012 and also not having a lot of cap room tied up in your #2 QB. If your rookie rides the bench and just watches one more year, similar to how Rodgers did, I don't think it's going to hurt him. IMO, it's better to switch to your young guy a season later, rather than a season sooner, than he is totally ready.

 

I seen all I needed to see when we needed 15 yards to get in FG range against the lowly Browns. Incompletion. Incompletion. Incompletion. Interception. Chad Henne at his finest.

 

IMO, there has to be some middle ground. One could say Henne has some skills still worth developing, but don't want to go all in with him. He isn't beyond any hope of salvation, but then again if you are going to try and salvage his career you also want to hedge your bets. To me, as with any position, there is more safety in numbers. Depth. Speaking just for myself, I'd feel optimistic with a depth chart of Moore, Henne and Tannehill heading into 2012. Then again I'd also feel optimistic with a depth chart of Flynn, Moore, and Foles.

 

No weak arguments here. Chad Henne has sucked as a Miami Dolphin. I don't care why he sucked. He sucked, that's all that matters. He's going to suck for the next team he plays for, and the next team after that. Some players just don't have it. Henne would be one of those. No QB talent other than arm strength and dumb as a brick.

 

Yes, you are right. He should have called better plays from better alignments, ran better pass routes, got himself more separation and thrown better passes to himself, so he had a better chance of completing them.

 

I agree..... and this is the time of the game that the freedom you've given your QB throughout the game to make plays (and subsequent experience in doing so) should shine through when you need him in the clutch. Unfortunately, Henne was never allowed that type of freedom and Henning's controlling ways prevented Henne from truly becoming a leader of the offense, so it's difficult to fully blame Chad for not better developing his 4th quarter and 2 minute drill ability.

It's hard to take over a game in the final 4 minutes when your OC attempts to seize control of it during the first 56. You either let your QB be the guy who can win it for you for the full 60 minutes or you don't. IMO you cant have your cake and eat it, too; you can't try to completely control the offense while denying your QB any audible ability or mental freedom and then expect him to have late game success when a game is suddenly on his shoulders. Practice makes perfect; if he can't practice it throughout the game, he won't succeed at it during the end.

 

I'd say an 81.0 QB rating is a lot better than 49.3, 58.5, and 11.5 actually.

 

Henne didn't have this. Henne didn't have that. This happened so he couldn't do that. That happened so he wasn't able to do this. Because of this and that, he sucked. Not his fault. Not his fault. John Beck was stuck with this so he wasn't able to succeed. John Beck was put in a circumstance that made him suck. Ted Ginn dropped balls because of this and that. Ted Ginn sucked, blame this and that. Only Dolphins fans are so quick to defend mediocrity smh.

 

Don't forget he should have caught the passes too, since Marshall didn't want to.

 

So basically people who agree with you are smart and logical, while people who disagree with you are emotional

Also at the same time, what if Jamarcus Russell slid down to the Packers.

That is the problem with the Henne situation is that all you can do to support him is look at, "what if?" Then have to massage the data to make Henne come out like roses or create scenarios where he was a gunslinger in college, when he wasn't.

If the Dolphins are going go in a more West Coast type offense, then Henne is not the quarterback for that offense. He would do better in an offense like the Raiders have, with short passes to tight ends and runningbacks. With long passes to extremely speedy receivers. An offense where ball placement and quick decision making is not as important.

I do not see the point in bringing him back when Moore is already a better quarterback. I would rather have Moore, Tanninhill and Jason Campbell or Dennis Dixon.

 

LOL, pure comedy!!! Do you do stand up?

 

Why would he? He wasn't good at it.

 

Throwing better passes to his receivers would of been a better start. Can't really blame the guy though. He sucks and doesn't have the talent. Shouldn't have even been starting in the first place to put him in a position to suck for a third straight year.

 

It is comedy indeed. Apparently Henne has not sucked as a Miami Dolphin. I'm laughing at the thought as well.

 

I'd say you just like to make up stats, read and weep. LMAO!!! This is EASY!!!!

Moore has a ridiculously high quarterback rating in every quarter BUT the fourth quarter this season. During the fourth quarter, which is the most critical of the four, he’s got a 61.6 rating, and competing 56.5 percent of his passes. He’s throw four interceptions and two touchdowns during the fourth.

 

Henne wasn't allowed that freedom. I wonder why that is. A mystery to me indeed. Could it be because Henne isn't a leader and was obviously disliked by members of the defense, as well as Brandon Marshall because he was such a bad QB?

 

I believe it is because we had circus clowns coaching the team.

 

Not made up stats at all. You can go to ESPN and look for yourself. Moore's 4th quarter rating +/- 7 points is 81.0, Henne has never had better than 58.5. And that's evident from the game tape as well because throwing close games away is what Chad Henne does best.

 

Improvement? Yes indeed! Huge improvement? You are dreaming!

 

One thing they got right, realizing that Henne blows and limiting him.

 

I even like Chad Henne but you make it hard to....


Henne has been a Qb for almost all of his life. He was a much at fault as the clowns

 

No, its more like the Henne supporters are basically more pragmatic, while the anti-Henne faction is basically obtuse, either by design or through not fault of their own. JMO.

That's also a viable option. The reason I suggest Henne rather than Campbell, whom I like, is because I think Henne would come cheaper and more likely accept a set #2 role to start out with. With Campbell, it seems to me you'd sign him if you want more of an open competition from the get go, but too, Campbell can also be a teaser type of talent. His skill set and production is spurts gets you excited, then he goes and gets hurt. 6 seasons and only 2 with 16 games.

 

Go ahead and post that. Let's see the link.

 

IMO that is not fair and a slight veiled insult.

The reason I like Jason Campbell more is due to his mobility.