Seem to recall Lombardi attached to them at one time(?) Actually they are decent and sometimes can come up with a huge scoop.
Matt Moore is a barely average QB at best and there has been nothing to suggest his cieling will rise very high, assuming it rises at all. Feel free to contribute your own analysis instead of simply critiquing others, unless you are afraid no one will take it seriously.
What context are you putting Moore in as "barely average"? Surely not his performance this year, because that's not going to stand up to bare-minimum scrutiny.
Moore played well against bad teams he could not beat good teams. He does not see the field well at all( I had a bird's eye view of the field at the Philly game and he missed several guys that were wide the **** open) He has zero pocket awareness, he has no velocity in his throws and his ball placement leaves much to be desired. He is not a franchise QB and has shown no indication that he can be one.
You can't forget the team he was playing on. He was thrown into action with a team in disarray and most thought would be lucky to win 2 games at that point. Moore is the biggest reason this team even won 6 games. He hasn't proven himself as a player yet, but I think he will continue to improve.
The issue with Fisher dragging this on only becomes one if he ultimately chooses to coach somewhere else. There is about 6 HC posions open right now. It is possible that we miss out on our 2nd and 3rd choies for the postion because they signed a contract while we sat here being held hostage to Fisher.
Sure, Moore can be a highly efficient Qb who can create plays down the field, he did so this yr behind the 2nd worst pass blocking OL in the NFL and coming in to start after being shunned in the preseason for Chad Henne, I suspect some fans do not realize what an accomplishment that is for him and the staff Reality is, in that situation Curtis Painter is more the norm.
Funny thing is Pod while fans were bashing Henne they bashed Moore when he was signed with a hard dislike. It was the end of the world for most....
How are we "held hostage" to a guy who didn't finish his interviews until Sunday? Seriously, I know he's been in the news for a week, but he's only been in decision mode for 48 hours.
Especially since all a coaching staff can do right now is hire some assistants and put together their staff. Some coaches are not hired till after the superbowl.
Fisher wants say over Ireland if he gets it he's a Dolphin. Ross just needs to step it up and give it to him then if he doesn't succeed there is no one to throw under the bus.
"Todd baby! you were always our first choice! we just HAD to look at other coaches to 'satisfy' the fans. we alway intended to make you our head coach. we love you Todd!"
Who ranked us 2nd worst? PFF has us 8th worst. I made up a list of combined sacks, hits and pressures allowed, and there were about 8 teams with more. What is your measure of us as 2nd worst?
Strictly on sacks allowed Mr C, Rams and Panthers were tied for the worst, with the dolphins #2. MMoore: -limited first team reps in Training Camp -Did not get playbook until Camp, and was signed later in the process iirc -came into a situation where we'd lost 4 straight -lost 3 gms then we went 6-3 to finish the yr And he finished in the Top 30% of Qb's in the NFL stats wise, he had a yr similar to Alex Smith's, who is in line for an 8-10 million dollar contract extension, in Miami we are looking to replace him.
Pocket awareness my butt, the OL was pure garbage in that game, they gave up 9 sacks and Moore wound up with an concussion, and those sacks were of the instant pressure type. And even then, he still had a decent game.
While there were definitely mitigating circumstances, the Eagles game was Moore's worst of the year IMO. I consider myself as staunch a Moore supporter as anyone here, but still, gotta call it like I see it.
PFF factors in also pressures and hits on the QB, which IMO gives a more accurate picture of an OL's pass blocking than just sacks alone. Two of the teams in the playoffs were worse for just pass blocking than the Dolphins. 49ers and Giants. When using the combined 3 levels of disruption on a QB. Moore was signed by the Dolphins on July 28, 2011. What was the first day of camp?
Think it was August 2nd or so? And disagree on that Mr C, PFF goes to a bridge to far at times and that is one of them. As for the eagles game, I'd guess Moore was a 11 for 19 120 yds 1 Td 67 QBR, which is pretty good for being sacked 6 times in just over a half of football, Losman came into the gm in the 3rd qtr iirc?
Hits on the QB and pressures can be worse than sacks oftentimes. They both can lead to ints. Hits can lead to concussions as much as a sack if not more. I'll just have to disagree with you that factoring them into pass blocking effectiveness is as you say, "a bridge too far." 11 of 19, 5.0 ypa, 1 TD 1 int. 95 yds passing. Definitely not all his fault, even Brady would wilt under that kind of pressure. Be that as it may, with the o-line's help, it was his worst game IMO.
And ESPN has them as the 2nd worst unit in the NFL. A Qb will get hit and pressured, Sacks are the ultimate sign of failure to protect. I've discussed a couple of things with PFF: -passrushers drawing flags, they refuse to credit it as a good play for the pass rusher -tackling by Cornerbacks, they say it is unimportant, which is very foolish to me as 95% of big plays happen due to missed tackles. They then chronicled the fact Ronde Barber and Tanard Jackson are the two worst tackling Db's in the NFL! That is crappy, thought he had more yds though.
I think the QB thing might be what Ireland is hung up on. I think most coaches realize it's more about the QB than coaching. No matter how good a coach they are they realize they can't win in this league without a QB. If we go under this assumption, besides all the other things Fisher has to consider, here's what he has to choose between at QB - Sam Bradford and the Rams - Was 2011 just about a lack of talent? Sophomore slump? Or a sign of things to come for Bradford. Fisher probably thinks Bradford is just good enough that spending a high pick on a QB would be a mistake. Matt Moore and the Dolphins - Matt Moore had a decent year but is probably perceived as having limited upside. He's probably trying to figure out if Miami will be in a position to draft or acquire a decent QB. If they can't, the job doesn't look as good. Boiling it down to just the QB position and you can see it's a tough choice.
Basically on how our line ranks pass blocking, we're probably splitting hairs between us, as we both agree it was pretty bad and definitely an area that needs an upgrade at 2 spots. I'd really like to see how Moore could do behind a better pass blocking line, and it is one of the hallmarks of a Fisher team, they can usually pass block with the best of lines. I'd be fine with DeCastro in the first and letting Jerry and Murtha compete for RT.
RT @RossTuckerNFL: Rams & Dolphins should consider moving on from Fisher. He's clearly not sold on either place.
That game is an example of what I've constantly seen from him, he does miss guys who are wide open, his arm is nothing special, his ball placement is about the same as Chad Henne's and his pocket presence is bad( I cant be the only one who thinks he holds on to the ball way too long) You cant be saying that you'd be fine with Curtis Painter as your QB.
According to a report in the Miami Herald, Fisher wants to be appointed executive vice president / football operations for whichever team he decides to become the head coach. He also wants input on all player personnel decisions. If he is given this position with the Dolphins, he would basically be Ireland's boss, instead of Ireland being his boss. This would basically reduce Ireland to a glorified scout in the Dolphins organization. For this reason, I now want Fisher to come to the Dolphins, more then ever.
Did Fisher have final say in Tennessee? Looking back over the last 7 or 8 drafts in Tennessee during his tenure, I sure hope not.
Fisher obviously had no input in the Titans drafts because he did not want to take Vince Young in the first round a few years ago but he was overruled by the owner and the player personnel department at the time.
If Fisher is waiting for the Colts job, he may have some competition. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Mornhinweg-a-possibility-as-Colts-coach.html
Nothing really new here, but it gives a good timeline on how things have shaken out this week. http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/12/2585480/miami-dolphins-wait-for-jeff-fishers.html
Perhaps his 7-27 record as the head coach of the Lions is the reason he does not get interviewed for a head coaching position anywhere, including in Miami.
I honestly either completely forgot about that or was paying 0 attention to the Lions in 2001 and 2002.
Based on the Young drafting Fisher did not have final authority over the draft, however it was reported that drafting Pacman Jones was a Fisher decision over the GM objections. It may be that after that Jones draft, the authority was switched around.
Is it unreasonable to think that for the most part Fisher drafted who he wanted and occasionally Adams stepped in, like with Young? Why does it have to be always one way or the other.
How much say so over the draft and free agency Fisher had with the Titans is really unknown at this time. It does appear though that he wants a great deal of power over the draft and the players selected in free agency in his next job. If reports are correct that he wants to be named the Dolphins, Vice President of football operation, he obviously wants to have more say in player personnel decisions than Ireland. This would also seem to mean that Fisher only wants to answer to Ross, since he would be in a position of authority over Ireland. I see this as a positive, while I am sure all the Ireland fans would see this as a slap in the face to their man.
