Anyone Still Think Matt Ryan Is the Franchise QB That Got Away?

Its not about just exchanging Long for Ryan, its the mentality of the franchises. We went safe. We thought second rate Qb talent could win if we built the oline up, Atlanta didn't have a franchise Qb they took a big shot at one we hoped second round talent would be good enough. Atlanta has gambled on talent and built around Ryan. We took the safe pick and now we are
Cleaning house and starting over while Atlanta is looking for a missing piece or two.

 

Mike Smith didn't do Matty Spice any favors. Some terrible playcalling for sure. 2 QB sneaks when you have Turner?

Just goes to show how hard it is to find a elite QB. And it doesn't matter one lick how highly they are rated coming out.

 

Nice post, PP23.

Matt Ryan is a trap.

All he does is keep you just good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to beat Brady, Rodgers, or Brees without a great D behind him, solid protection, a strong ground game, and talent at WR/TE. On a great team, he's a quality game-manager; on an average team he's lucky to finish 8-8.

If we drafted Ryan, we'd still be losing to Brady but he'd offer just enough intrigue to sign to an expensive extension with the hopes that one day he becomes worthy of that #1 overall pick. Before you know it, 10 years pass and he's still our QB, we haven't won a SB on his shoulders, and we've seen other teams find a legitimate franchise QB because Ryan caused us to pass on them. No thank you, I'll take Long.

 

From what I read they thought the difference between Matt Ryan and second rate QB talent was very small.

 

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The Falcons traded up during the draft to get Baker. With the 32nd pick, we also could have just as likely traded up and took Baker or Duane Brown. Not saying I wish we would have, just clarifying the situation a little.

 

Just curious, since we are comparing Ryan to other QBs, he's been in the league 4 years and yet to win a playoff game, so just for comparison sake, how many playoff games did Peyton Manning win in his first 4 seasons? How about Brees in his first 4 seasons?

 

That's a fair point.


Like Atlanta, the Colts similarly went 13-3 followed by 10-6, but IMO Manning was the single greatest reason for that turnaround, whereas Atlanta's was more team-related.

I like Ryan (he didn't let me down as a fantasy QB), and by next year he should be a definite top 10 QB unless others step up and surpass him, but I don't think he has the talent to become an elite QB capable of carrying a team.


To me, Ryan is like a poor man's Troy Aikman, only behind an inferior Oline...... with Michael Turner his Emmitt Smith, Roddy (or Julio) his Irvin, and so on.
IMO the Falcons can win a SB with Ryan if their entire team clicks b/c he's good enough and smart enough as a quality game manager to compliment a top 5 defense & balanced offensive attack. I'm just not sure his arm has (or ever will have) the ability to consistently do what his brain & eyes tell him in order to reach the great to elite status.

 

I agree and disagree. Long was the right choice, not moving up for Flaco, or Freeman shows the type of drafting you're talking about. Either of them would be as good as ryan on this team, and we could have moved up for them. We had the ammo. Trading back with dez and earl looking us in the face. We could have had our cake and ate it too.

 

Do you know though how many years were Brees and Peyton in the league before they won a playoff game? I really don't. I could look it up I guess, but feel lazy right now, and was hoping I could trick you into do it.

 

It's not about playoff wins. It's about how Ryan reacts when pressured. If you watched the game against NY, you saw that when Ryan got pressured he sometimes escaped and usually threw it away. When Manning got pressured he sometimes escaped and either ran for a first or threw for a significant gain. (This has been Ryan's M.O. the whole time and what I have been saying about him for years in case someone thinks I just based it on this last game). Early on Manning was under more pressure than Ryan, but he made the defense pay a few times and they became tentative. That's what Ryan has lacked. Maybe eventually he'll figure it out, but so far in his career, Ryan is the guy who can put up stats when everything goes right. Since he has an incredibly good team around him that results in a lot of regular season wins. But when something goes wrong, he generally can't bail the team out like the elite QBs do.

 

Mark Sanchez.

The comparison is now invalid.

 

That's exactly what I think Matt Moore is, so I guess those comparing Matt Ryan to Matt Moore might be onto something.

 

I do agree with those comparisons. IMO Ryan is more consistent with his short area accuracy, but that's really it. The group of QBs in that elite tier is small. That next group of guys who can produce when everything goes right is fairly large.

 

All I'll say is he's better than what we have.

 

So?

A Civic is better than a Yugo, but neither are going to win NASCAR.

 

WAIT A MINUTE Why are you guys jugding a player who had his head coach pulling a Dan Henning i think Matt Ryan is a darn qb but he cant do his job very well if he has a idiot for head coach. I am rooting for the kid because he is still young . You cats automatically think that if a qb has a bad year then he is no good Miami gave up on Beck after the dimwit head coach rushed him out on the field before he was ready and it destroyed the kid's confindence . let me rephrase it I beleive some of you give up on qbs way too soon . none of us could suceed if we have a dimwitt head coach and Atlanta's head coach is a real dufus . Atlanta 's head coach really lost that game for them.

 

His head coach is an idiot now?

 

If you guys think we would be prospering with Joe Flacco or Josh Freeman at the helm, then I think your all nutso.

 

I think we would be better off with Flacco than Merling or Henne. However I am sure there are two players that were drafted after that are better than Flacco combined.

 

I just don't feel like Flacco is ever going to be the main reason a team is successful. Guess we will find out soon because that Raven defense is aging.

 

Not that badly. They're doing a nice job of adding younger guys that'll still have Ngata and Suggs for a lot of years.

Rice and Leach keep that offense going. Flacco is pretty much just a game-manager until he and Cameron get screwy and just bomb it for ****s and giggles.