***Official 2011-12 MLB HOTSTOVE OFF-SEASON THREAD***

That's what its always been proposed. Add the extra WC team and they play 1 game to get it back to the current 4 team post season match ups!

What did you think they would do?

 

This is what I typed earlier....for example on how it would have worked this post season:

 

Ok, but thats how it was always discussed if they did add this 2nd WC team. So what did you expect? your statement seemed to be one of surprise and this caught you off guard.

 

How so??

• The international signing limits won't affect the posting system for players from Japan, according to Knobler (on Twitter).
• Teams in the ten smallest markets and with the ten lowest revenues will enter a lottery for six additional first and second round picks, according to Bill Shaikin of the LA Times (on Twitter).
• Teams that don't exceed their draft spending limit will have a chance to obtain picks from teams that over-spent, according to Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com (on Twitter).
• Cubans under 23 years old with less than three years of professional experience will be considered amateurs and count against international spending limits, according to Passan (on Twitter). 26-year-old Yoenis Cespedes won't be subject to these limits.
• Teams that spend more than 5% over-slot on the draft will face a 75% tax, according to Passan (all Twitter links). Teams that go over slot by 5-10% face a 75% tax and the loss of a first rounder. Teams that go over slot by 10-15% face a 100% tax and the loss of a first and second rounder. Teams that exceed slot by 15% or more face a 100% tax and the loss of two first rounders. MLB wanted the top players to be selected in order of talent, according to Passan. This set of rules will also reduce draft spending significantly, a bonus for owners.
• Every team will have $2.9MM to spend on international bonuses this offseason, according to Passan. Eventually the limits will be in the $1.8-5MM range, according to Passan. Starting in 2013-14, teams will be able to trade money from their spending allowance for international players, according to Passan (all Twitter links). However, teams can only boost their original spending limit by 50% through trades.
• There will be a “significant” tax for teams that exceed recommended draft bonuses by a substantial margin, according to Heyman.
• A worldwide draft is a "significant possibility" by 2014, according to Yahoo's Jeff Passan (on Twitter).
• Yesterday, MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes explained the new CBA in detail. Some highlights: Type A relievers will no longer cost draft picks to sign, the Elias rankings system will be eliminated, the minimum salary will increase, more super twos will exist and blood testing for HGH will begin. Plus, the Astros will move to the American League in 2013 and each league will introduce a new Wild Card team.

 

I like this.....

As soon as they go to balls/strikes via Pich-FX the better the game will be!

Umpires are still ok for calling safe/out/interference, and check swings (which they suck at anyway)! LOL

 

Kemp goes from nearly TRIPLE CROWN to 2nd place....damn!!

 

What do you mean why? Its for the good of the game. Its why revenue sharing, and split gates, and equal roster size are part of the league. Its finite teams and you try to give equal opportunity. The problem is some owners are not in it to win it...but things like these are small potatoes arent they?

I think much like relegation rules in English Premier League for example....if you are an OWNER in MLB, and you finish in the bottom of the standings you have to give up Ownership! LOL....j/k, but damn some owners suck.

So, teams that exceed in one area (per the rules of what is considered standard) I dont have a problem with bottom rung getting an extra compensation, etc.

 

I dont see how this is much different (then other rules) for a team looking short term and willing to trade/mortgage one year for the following year potential, etc. and dont find a reason that would "make folks walk away from baseball over another sport" etc that is being stated. Nothing listed is a major concern in the short or long term IMO.

what am I missing?

 

No, only teams that OVERSPEND will be penalized. As far as giving low revenue teams extra picks by MLB (and not from other teams) what's the harm?

These low revenue owners will have to PAY these extra draft picks (1st and 2nd rounders) to sign them. Again, if this is all to a path to a HARD CAP and HARD FLOOR so be it. Thats my hope.

And as far as drafting and OVERSPENDING OF SLOT on draft picks, again its up to the TEAM to actually OVERSPEND, its their choice.

Bottomline the Owners are backing this to help control spending on UNPROVEN MLB talent via Draft (or international FA hype machine) - Just Like NFL did, and NBA is trying to do!

Its good for the game right! They are trying to control Rookie Wage Scale and Draft Slot..so be it. I just wish they would have agreed to TRADE DRAFT PICKS, but dont think that happened.

 

No, its MLB saying you have a salary slot for this specific draft position...dont exceed it, if you choose to, you will be penalized.

If no one exceeds, no extra picks from these clubs will be sent to non-overspending clubs.

Basically these are the 3 key DRAFT related rules going forward:

• Teams in the ten smallest markets and with the ten lowest revenues will enter a lottery for six additional first and second round picks, according to Bill Shaikin of the LA Times (on Twitter).
• Teams that don't exceed their draft spending limit will have a chance to obtain picks from teams that over-spent, according to Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com (on Twitter).
• Teams that spend more than 5% over-slot on the draft will face a 75% tax, according to Passan (all Twitter links). Teams that go over slot by 5-10% face a 75% tax and the loss of a first rounder. Teams that go over slot by 10-15% face a 100% tax and the loss of a first and second rounder. Teams that exceed slot by 15% or more face a 100% tax and the loss of two first rounders.

I dont see a problem with any of that, as each team is in control of its own actions....the market size and more important revenue thing is perhaps out of owners control - aside from the valid argument that a WINNING PRODUCT should increase revenue!

 

Well, come on, that S.O.P....the union agreed to all this....so why the outrage?

 

EVERY SPORT is realizing the reality finally, yes, you need to REGULATE salaries from Draft Slots for unproven talent. Thats a fact of sports today!

I have no idea yet what the slots are.....but I dont see why MLBPA would be against something that sustains the very league they receive a JOB in.

 

Its a SPORTING LEAGUE...its not Individual CAPITALISM and survival of the fittest to KILL off competition, its purposes of the 30 MLB OWNERS is for the GOOD OF THE LEAGUE and its LONGEVITY and for SPORTING COMPETITION!

And MLB isnt restricting a team from OVERSPENDING, they are simply laying out consequences! Big deal....

 

Ok, and since this is a 5 year agreement let it shake out, and see what happens on re-negotiation. From where I sit....I love Labor Peace for 5 more additional years for MLB.

I think you are overstating why current MLBPA leadership would be supporting these measures. It disingenuous to only feel its one sided on the now (grandfathered) vs. the future. Its about sustainability of the product too.

The new deal through the 2016 season gives MLB a span of 21 years of labor peace since the strike-shortened 1994 season and delayed start of the '95 season.

 

Since this new Agreement eliminates the concept of Type A or Type B free agents, and replaces it with Draft Day picks being moved IF a team overspends per draft slot, whats the difference really?

Also, I can now sign a FA without losing a pick on a proven veteran (unless they were offered a 1 year contract equal to an average of 125 of their highest paid peers), and only lose a pick if I over spend on an unproven newbie?

That helps teams retain stars for 1 year at a time it seems too.

Thats smart isnt it?