Merged x 1 Billion: All Things 'Suck for Luck'

We abhor the notion of losing. The difference is certain people hate the notion of losing a certain game while others despise the fact we have been losing for years. Some of us see a potential light at the end of the tunnel that could be the biggest acquistion since Marino. Some of us see a player that can turn this franchise around and stop us from being a losing franchise. Some of us are willing to sacrifice a season no matter how painful it is just so we might have a future and end the "losing" Not speaking about you in particular, but i dont understand why people cant see that.

I love this team. My first home game was in the OB when Duper caught that long bomb to win the game against the jets. I've been a season ticket holder, ive gone to numerous playoff games. I had a Killer Bees and a Super Duper poster when i was a kid. I havent missed a game in years. Why do certain fans get angry that other fans see a different route than them to what is best for the team in the long run.

 

dude you must be his brother or cousin or something ^

its funny how some of us say that if we get the #1 pick (knowing this franchise) we'd pass on luck or whatever else can go wrong will.. so i think if we get the #1 pick we should make it clear that if we dont get luck we would strike against the team

 

We're already terrible. 6-10, 1-15, 11-5 (thank you Pennington, wish you could stay healthy), 7-9, 7-9, 0-4... if we go 5-11 we'll just continue this path. We're the new Bills.

Not cheering for them to lose. But I just don't care about the season knowing how it is going to end. Whether it ends 2-14, or If it ends in 6-10, we are still an irrelevant franchise like we've been since 2004. It starts to get old. The loss to the Browns ended my enthusiasm for this season, knowing it was going down the tubes. (along with the current 7 game losing streak, longest in the NFL) It's just the same-old, same-old.

At least with 2-14 you can get a top QB prospect. 6-10...maybe, if one falls like Marino for "Rumored drug use" or injury fear. But that also increases the chance we pass up on the player. But it won't be luck, and probably not Jones or Barkley if we go 6-10. Then hope the new regime fixes the other issues. At least it brings hope.

 

Who said anyone is angry? The point is more "suck for luck" is the ***** way out.

We can be terrible, we can be decent, to hope to tank for the sake of the roll of the dice that is the draft is..wise it is not...

 

Amen.

 

Just as likely to find a franchise QB in the middle of the first round as you are the top. Andrew Luck does pose a higher probability of success, but thats likely negated by the fact that even tanking the season doesn't guarantee him.

Its still a game of managing a limited amount of resources. You need good management regardless.

 

The essence of "suck for luck" is, "we hope we lose with a purpose!"

Which is no different from hoping for loses, only having a payoff for losing...this time.'

 

The draft is a game of skill, not luck. And I prefer to have the best hand when playing.

 

What the SFLer's do not seem to realize is a 2-14 season means a near total rebuild, most of the Defense, the right side of the OL, the Wr corps, the Te corps, the whole enchilada, this idea is distasteful to say the least as it means 2 yrs more of loses...as the saying goes.."have to give them 3 yrs..."

This will require yet another rebuild...it is not as easy as simply shaking and baking as they seem to think.

 

So this really applies to 10+ teams out there, that should try to lose to get Luck?

Why shouldn't the Jets tank the season? They don't really have a realistic shot at a SB this year, and QB is the biggest weakness on that team. It would make sense for them to try to get Andrew Luck as well.

Would anyone watch the NFL, if every team that didn't have playoff hopes tried to lose for a higher pick?

 

Apparently Suck for Luck folks beg to differ...it is a game of "Luck"...

 

If the price is surrendering a season that's already started 0-4 and has no hope of being salvaged for anything remotely worthwhile...I'm willing to pay it.

 

Condescending much today?

It's really fun how "make it about the post, not the poster" ceases to apply as soon as you make it about a whole lot of posters.

 

Pretty much this. Personally i was rooting for wins up until the end of the Cleveland game. After that game and comparing it with the first two i realized how bad this team was. I was over this coach and the teams philosophy. I went into this season with optimisitc hopes. I was hoping for a playoff run but realized early we had no chance of making them. Andrew Luck is not your typical number one prospect and I think certain people dont want to come to terms with that. They also have a myopic view.

The best thing that could happen to this franchise is that we get the number one pick.

 

I'm not even worried about those other parts. You do need an elite QB to compete these days.

My issue is that there are ways to get an elite QB without compromising the integrity of competition. Trying to go after the clear #1 pick seems cowardly to me.

 

I am not openly rooting to lose. I am just saying, unlike any other year, if/when we DO LOSE....im not going to be as upset because Luck is sitting right there. Once every 20 year type prospect.

 

There have been plenty suggesting it. On this forum and outside of this forum.

 

Honestly, yes.

 

With all due respect, saying you'd rather win 2 games than win 6 games is essentially rooting to lose.

 

I dont understand this. So if we finish 2-14 we have to do a complete rebuild but if we finish with 5 or 6 wins we dont? What does this mean. We are having the same players on this team either way. It amazes me that some people wanna go through whats been failing us for years. Winning 7 games and staying mediocre at best.

 

Bull****, what is their record?

 

The rebuild will happen anyway because we're bringing a new coaching staff in. Whether we go 6-10 or 2-14 a new coaching staff will come in and want to bring in their own guys. So the rebuild needed has nothing to do with the Suck for Luck anyway. Although, I disagree that we would have to rebuild the entire team. There is talent on this team that's worth keeping.

 

No, really it isnt. Rooting to lose is me every sunday, hoping we dont win.

I am saying, if I'd perfer to lose 6 or 2, I'll take 2, since the entire point of this "fan thing" is winning a superbowl, if we dont win one, or even compete to go to the playoffs, then I'd rather get a damn good prospect, instead of another middle round right guard.

 

Most units on this team will require significant talent infusions whether we win 2 games or 7 games. Is Marc Colombo suddenly an acceptable option because he was the RT on a 7 win team where he would be garbage ona 2 win team?

Is Fasano a top level TE on a 7 win team but crap on a 2 win team?

The answer is they are crap, whether we eke out 6 wins or not. This is not a very good football team. It's time to face that. The players we have on D are nowhere near as good as advertised and we still completely lack any gamebreakers on offense.

While Andrew Luck won't solve every problem, I damn well think he will at least cover up alot of them while we fix everything else.

 

Exactly, depending on if the D improves or not, as several players are free agents, or restricted Fa's.

If they play like crap for a season, they have to be replaced.

 

With all due respect, saying you'd rather win 6 games than win 2 games THIS SEASON is essentially rooting to continue to lose for the next decade

 

couldnt of said it better.

 

1-3, while putting up nearly 30 points per game.

And oh yeah, they have a FUTURE because of that Newton guy. There is reason to believe that better days are coming. Not so much here.

 

Tsk tsk tsk...it could mean a quick turnaround is likely.

That should be a strong selling point for Suck for Luckers.

"The team has talent, but is underperforming, add a young and upcoming Qb, and better coaching..."

Which is yet another issue with SFLers...mere reactionaries, there is no thinking behind it.

 

Thats really a false choice. There are more elite QBs picked outside the top-5 as there are inside the top-5.

 

No, because I don't accept the premise that our only chance of finding an elite QB is by drafting in the top-5.

 

to me the team is the team. whether it wins 0 or 7 it is the same team. the TE, S, G, RT and QB positions (just a start) need upgrading after this season regardless of the W-L record.

 

The idea that somehow, if there were a Qb that fans buy into, things would be better.

1 more win, is worth all of this?

 

True but the guy on top this year is pretty special. And the difference in some drafts is Stafford at 1, or Sanchez at 5. That difference is big imo.

 

I think you fail to realize how big of a prospect Luck is. This isnt Carr, Leaf, Couch, Bradford or even Newton, Stafford, Drew Bledsoe or Carson Palmer. This guy is the highest rated prospect coming out of college since John Elway.

 

ROFL!!!! "Mere reactionaries, there is no thinking behind it."

Open your friggin eyes man. We're the ones thinking. We're the ones looking to the future. You're so caught up in this lost season that you can't look to the future, and so brainwashed by the mediocrity that the Dolphins have given us for the past decade that you don't realize what needs to be done.

 

You'd sacrifice an entire season, for a draft pick, and expect the roster to stay the same even with a terrible season?

Reactionaries to say the least trowa, pity this one was moved as I thought the OP picture was spot on.

 

So hypothectially, how does us signing David Gerrard who might be good enough to squeak out 5 or 6 wins for us beneficial for this team?

 

And you also clearly don't accept the argument that's being posed to you. We're not talking about finding an "elite QB." We're talking about the top rated prospect since John god damn Elway. For as big as Peyton Manning was coming out of college, Luck is bigger. No one compared Cam Newton, Matt Stafford, Sam Bradford, Matt Ryan or any of those guys to Elway or Manning. This kid is special. When you have a chance at a prospect like that you don't throw it away. Throwing away chances at high end prospect is the exact reason why Miami is in the boat it is in today and the whole reason we're even discussing the Suck for Luck

 

What about Roethlisberger at 11, Rodgers at 24, Brees at 32, etc. ???