I hate to say it, but Belichick showed us what a great coach is capable of

Amen. You'll never see Belichick caught off guard with the Wildcat or inverted Veer, or any of that silly stuff.

 

It wasnt Belichick who was blocking giving Brady 6.5 seconds to complete a pass. It wasnt Belichick throwing some of those throws, or reading our defense, or making perfect reads and progressions. Belichick, is one of the best coaches EVER. But to say he is the main reason the Patriots won the game Monday imo is wrong. Isnt he supposedly a defensive genius? Henne was picking them apart. Brady showed us what a hall of fame quarterback is capable of.

Sadly, like coaches, thats not an easy thing to find.

 

Thankfully there's only one Belichick.

Now I'm still confused on the way Reggie Bush is being used but I'm willing to let this play out. Let's see what happens if and when Daniel Thomas gets healthy.

So if Sparano gets the ax who do you want to replace him?

 

Once. A long long time ago, and he made adjustments. The guy has perfected the profession.

 

Also Brady showed us what it is like having a great quarterback.

 

It seems every year there are games where I'm think the Patriots are going to lose for one reason or another (Brady is hurt, the D-line is bad, starting a rookie against Wake) yet somehow they win. The Patriots have won too many games where I thought they would lose for me to say anything other than that he is a great coach.

 

We get to see great coaches in action against our Dolphins 4 times a year. Some of you are still not ready to admit it, but Rex Ryan also falls into the category. Chan Gailey ain't lookin so bad in Buffalo either, but the jury is still out there.

 

There are some great coaches in the NFL, but Belichick is the best X's and O's guy out there right now. Add that to the fact that he got lucky with a 6th round pick and drafted the best QB in the league, and you quickly see why he can take chicken s*** and make chicken soup, year after year after year. Not to mention that he takes our cast-offs and beats us with them. Do you need any more proof than that? What was it that Bum Phillips used to say about Don Shula, again?

(that was a rhetorical question, I think everyone knows what he said)

Belichick really is a genius, and, IMHO, you are dead on correct in your assessment that our coaches are not anywhere near his league. He's not perfect, but to beat him, you have to be at your absolute best, hope that he doesn't have his team at their best... AND get a little lucky.

 

It's funny I agree with both the original poster and with the people that are throwing sarcastic criticisms at Bill Belichick.

It leaves me very confused.

Bottom line to me is yes this is another one you can file in the Belichick folder under examples of great ideas he's come up with. Honestly I wish I'd thought of it, but I didn't. I only saw what was going to happen, with much horror, when I watched the Patriots play the Buccaneers in preseason. I commented on it a lot, said it's genius, that THIS is how you leverage a well-established and constructed offense headed by a great quarterback against defenses that are coming off a lockout-shortened off season.

I hope the Miami staff also noticed it, and planned for it. If not, they're pretty dumb. And if they did notice it and planned/practiced heavily for it, then that carries with it a different set of "uh oh".

 

No, he played very well and showed great improvement in many areas.

But having Tom Brady allowed the Patriots to execute the game plan they executed to near-perfection, and it allowed them to beat us by multiple touchdowns in our own house. And so Dol-Fan Dupree is right on in being jealous that these are the kinds of things you can do when you have a Tom Brady.

 

There is a huge line between great and sucks. Henne played well, however if watching the game you couldn't see the huge canyon of ability that seperates Brady and Henne at this moment of time, then you are blind.

 

Those are the types of things you can do when you have two ridiculous TE's and a great OL. I think it had less to do with Brady than that.

 

It is insinuating that Henne is not a great quarterback.

 

The ability that surrounds them is the difference. Henne did more with less. If you can't see that you're blind and also ignoring half the **** that is said about this regime by the haters. If Henne can put up 460+ yards with what you guys have been calling an unqualified regime and ****ty coaches with lesser talent, who looks better? Am I saying he is better than Brady? Hell no. But did he do more than Brady Monday night? In my opinion, yes.

 

Yea, it had less to do with amazing accuracy, great decision making and beautiful ball placement.

 

To me, with Belichick, it's not just X's and O's. It's whole franchise management.

That's one thing you notice over the years. There have been a lot of coaches that have shaken off the Belichick "tree" so to speak, and they've really had very mixed results. Mangini was an awful Head Coach. Charlie Weis wasn't even a good college Head Coach. Romeo Crennel was not a good Head Coach. Josh McDaniels was an awful Head Coac. Even the coordinators, guys like Brian Daboll, they've really been kind of mixed as coordinators and assistant coaches.

And so you look at all that and say...whatever those guys' experience was on those Belichick coaching staffs, they didn't learn from it to the point where they know the recipe for the secret sauce.

And yet you have had some front office guys shake off that tree, guys like Tom Dimitroff and Scott Pioli himself...and those franchises are having more success (blowout loss to Bills notwithstanding) than the usual coach that shakes off the tree. It makes me think that while Belichick is definitely a good X's and O's guy, it's the entire team management functions that make him special.

You see things year in and year out like their ALWAYS trading a present pick for a future pick that is a round better. That's an innovative idea and one that most other coaches in the NFL just seem not to believe in, but it's responsible for their embarrassment of riches every year in terms of draft picks available to them. They don't even necessarily draft particularly well, which is kind of well documented, but they get more shots on goal with all the extra draft wealth every year, and so they do fine.

And now this thing with the hurry up and the cramping and taking advantage of defenses not being very well-oiled after the lockout...I mean that's just genius, and I don't know that it truly falls under the "X's and O's" category.

 

Really? You think that Henne did more with less? Henne has a better running threat, much better wide receivers and a pretty good receiving tight end.

I haven't called this regime or coaches bad.

Then I completely disagree with your opinion. Brady did more than Henne, especially when it came to converting 3rd downs.

 

He has the time to make great decisions and the talent around him to have those decisions available to make. He did make some great throws but he had all day to do it. Henne was scrambling around for his life with Incognito allowing admittance to the backfield anytime he wasn't busy getting drive-killing holding penalties.

 

Marshall, Hartline, Bess, Fasano > Ochocinco, Branch, Welker, Woodhead, Gronkowski ? And our line is better?

 

What about all those passes that were ridiculously quick. Also he wasn't standing there like a statue, even at the time he had 6.8 seconds to pass the ball he was moving in the pocket.

Henne wasn't scrambling for his life. You are acting like the only difference between Brady and Henne is the offensive line.

 

When Sparano wins 3 superbowls, better yet wins a playoff game, then we can take pot shots at BB. Till then, we look stupid if we do so.

 

One thing that makes all of the Patriots better is, Brady > Henne.

 

I'm talking about the single game. Not all time stats. I disagree that Brady's performance was more impressive than Henne's based on the personnel and coaching each team has. If we can't agree on which team has the better roster this is a pointless debate.

 

Again, I agree that Brady is better.

 

I am talking about the single game. Brady's performance was much better than Henne's.

The difference between seeing an up and coming player finally coming seeing the light and an established player showing him how it is done.

 

Personally I believe Miami had the better defense but Tom Brady was able to neutralize that advantage because he's Tom Brady and because the coaching staff was able to leverage his being Tom Brady into a game plan that allowed them to tire out and cramp up our defenders...and not allow our defenders to be the good defenders that they are, because they're too tired.

Miami couldn't execute the same game plan because Chad Henne is not Tom Brady. Chad Henne was very good out there, and much improved, but he wouldn't have been able to execute Brian Daboll's offense in that kind of hurry up without even more miscommunications than we saw out there. That's not REALLY a slight on Henne if you think about it, it's just the way it is.

But cramping and the effects of the Patriots' hurry up were tangible. They had several passes to Deion Branch that helped them move the chains, where they just plain took advantage of us not being lined up yet. The hurry up caused Vontae Davis to cramp and miss 13 pass plays, and in those pass plays they took advantage of Nolan Carroll, his backup. The hurry up caused Sean Smith to develop full-body cramps after a play, and Brady noticed it, so he got everyone up to the line quickly and called out routes to where Hernandez would be matched on Smith one on one. The result was a 30 yard near-TD (ball called down on the 1 yard line, easily punched in on the next play). That was too bad for Sean Smith because outside of that play he'd only given up 1 catch for 10 yards.

We had a good defense. They had a better game plan that leveraged a better quarterback, and made our defense NOT good on many occasions throughout the game.

So people talk about Chad Henne didn't have Gronkowski/Hernandez, to me it's irrelevant. Not only did he have Marshall/Hartline/Bess whom I'd take all day every day over Welker/Branch/OchoCinco...and Anthony Fasano who was no slouch himself and actually had a very good night...but Brady was going up against a better defense than Henne was.

It doesn't matter. We lost, and by a lot. I've been complaining about most moves this franchise made this off season, not JUST the quarterback moves. I've talked about how the Reggie Bush thing didn't make sense, how he's not a real running back that gains yards on the ground and is only useful as a pass catcher, more so as a decoy than anything else. I've talked about how the Guard and Right Tackle situation is atrocious, how it doesn't fit the style of run game they seem to want to install, and how bad the short yardage offense is as a result of their tinkerings. I've talked about how Jason Taylor is really a pretty bad pass rusher (0 Sacks, 0 Hits, 0 Pressures on Tom Brady on like 26 pass rush snaps) in his old age, and how ridiculous it was for the Dolphins not even to get into the ridiculously cheap bidding for Antwan Barnes who signed for a mere $1.5 million a year. I've talked about how the safety situation seems like a festering wound that they're trying to get away with fixing with 6th round band-aids. I've talked about how the Football IQ of the defense is worrisome, which showed up as they couldn't figure out where to line up against Brady's hurry up offense.

Every time I talked about something like this, some malapert would always bring it back to the QB issue somehow, as if I just hate everything the Dolphins do because I didn't agree with their QB strategy in the off season. Well guess what, that wasn't it, and now you can see that in a pretty glaring way.

 

How do you come to the conclusion that the Miami's defense is better than NE's? Based off last year? The secondary looked like a steaming pile of inexperienced, out of shape, ****. Dansby looked like a non-factor. Burnett didn't do much better than Crowder. The Pats got a hell of a lot more pressure than we did.

 

Disagree. BenJarvus Green-Ellis has a 1,000 yard season. Reggie Bush does not. Woodhead is a poor man's Reggie Bush. Daniel Thomas has yet to play.

Agree 100%

Debatable. There's a reason we signed Rosario. Fasano is seen as inadequate to do everything we want. But the advantage still goes to Brady by a mile.

If we throw in the O-line and coaching, Pats win hands down. But, we have to decide whether better RB's, O-Linemen, ad TE's are better than better WR's.

 

Simply amazing eh? I watched a video a few months ago of Belichick breaking down the game against Miami in which Miami ran the option game out of the Pistol set with Pat White. As he's watching, he talks about gap control and the good stuff and then next play, he goes "This is where they like to run the fake Jet sweep and toss to Henne for the throw to the Over route." And he shows NE blowing the play up. The host asks him how he knew that was coming and he goes, "We practiced it. They like to run this when the ball is on the hash around the 40 yard line in their own territory." Right after he says that, the tape rolls of them practicing it and he goes, "see, 40 yard line on the hash." And the same exact spot where Miami ran it in the game.

Later, they review the Dan Connolly return against the Packers and they roll footage of them practicing the squib and it is the same exact thing as in the game. Blocks set up the same way and Connolly runs free. I was like what the hell.

 

yet part of the defensive plan is to stop reggie bush, BenJarvis Green-Ellis, not so much

he had 5 catches for 82 yards, that is a pretty good receiving day for any tight end.

 

Read the edit to my post. I almost let you get away with moving the goal posts. You went from we have better offensive players to we have good offensive players. Both of their TE's did better than Fasano.

Part of the gameplan isn't to stop BJGE? Then why didn't he have 500 yards if we didn't design to stop him? And I'm pretty sure we had designs to stop Woodhead as well.

 

I don't think it's really justified to "call out" people. And I haven't been a "ghost". You just evidently aren't a Club Level member.

Since this board started, I've mostly posted in the Club Level during the season, and in the Draft Forum during times when the Draft is heating up. But during the off season after the Draft there's a lot less discussion going on in Club Level. Things really only start heating up around when the season is starting usually some time in the preseason. That's when you'll find me out in the Main Forums more.

My apologies if you've been missing out on my posts and comments. Perhaps you should purchase a Club Level membership, then you can see what I have to say with less interruption.

 

Some of Miami's offensive players are better than New Englands and Miami's are good. I do agree that both of their tight ends are better at receiving than Fasano, that doesn't mean that Fasano isn't a good receiving tight end.

When making a defensive game plan, generally there is a emphasis in stopping playmakers. That doesn't mean that you create a game plan to ignore the other players. For instance, in Miami you do not design a gameplan to take away Brian Hartline, however you do not create a gameplan that doesn't cover Brian Hartline. It is a pretty easy concept.

 

Funny, I didn't see anyone call him a perfect coach.

 

It was a typo on my part. I meant to say "How do you come to the conclusion that Miami's D is better than the Pats"

 

Woodhead is a playmaker. I agree that we only scheme to stop the run with tweaks relating to BJGE's skillset though (Power). However, your original point being we had a better rushing attack which is false. We have someone who is planned for, but he's not proven that he's a better rusher than anyone.

 

I said rushing threat, not rushing attack. Bush might not be a 1,000 yard running back, however he has proven to be a runningback who can take over a game. He did so in the playoffs against the Falcons. No one is afraid of BJGE or Woodhead taking over a game. I would take Bush over BJGE or Woodhead. In fact I do not think either would start or be successful on any other team but the Patriots.

 

Bush has taken over games, but rarely as a runner. Mostly on special teams and as a receiver. When has Bush played the Falcons in the playoffs? Those teams haven't met in the playoffs since Bush has been in the NFL. The simple fact is, no one prepares for Reggie Bush as a conventional runner. They prepare for him on the edge on sweeps and tosses, and in space as a receiver.

Reggie Bush has yet to be as successful as BJGE in a single season and that's the plain truth.

 

Then it was a different game, I thought it was the Falcons, sometimes I make mistake.s

Sweeps and tosses are runs, just because it is not conventional, doesn't mean they do not game plan due to the threat.

I do not care about a single season, I care about a game by game basis. Teams do not game plan to make sure that BJGE has less than the 66 yards he needs to get his 1,000 yard season.