Well, once again, this is the downside of draft choices who have not proven a thing in the NFL, Holcolm and LeShoure were sure to play this yr, and now they are down, this is one of the reasons why I'm not as opposed as most are to trading draft choices for Veteran, Ready to Contribute, Pros.
Clayton said "second draft choice' my mistake. However this is one of the reasons why I'm not particularly opposed to trading picks for proven players.
That makes no sense to me - a proven player can just as easily get hurt. All players face injury risk - choosing a rookie over a vet really doen't impact that. I'm not saying it is wrong to value vets over rooks, but I don't see the reasoning on this one.
Well, now it is not just two 2nds but 3 actual 2nds, as Ryan Williams of Az and Marvin Austin of the G Men are now out for the season.
^ Yup, Giants lost their 2nd rounder (Marvin Austin) a DT too. p.s. they lost their 1st round pick as well (Prince Amukamar) Their D has several other injury/losses (Thomas/Witherspoon).....horrible camp for them so far.
Prince was sidelined indefinitely with a broken left foot on the metatarsal bone, so maybe back late in the season. I don't know that they IR'd him yet.
Vets get injured to, so that argument is ridiculous. You also have to consider the salary cost. Vets cost more so it limits your ability to fill other spots more than draft picks. Like with everything else it's a balance. I don't mind trading draft picks for young, high level players. Two seconds for Marshall made sense b/c your odds of finding that caliber of player with those picks is low so you don't mind the higher salary. But I wouldn't trade a 2nd or 3rd for an Orton b/c that level of player is more common. Brees, Schaub, Henne, Kolb, Beck, Colt McCoy and Tavaris Jackson are all current starters taken with 2nd or 3rd round picks. Some of those guys are better and some are worse, but the point is that you commonly find starters at that position in those round. But from that list I'd only put Brees in the "special" category. By "special", I mean arguably among the best at their position.
And whose to say if we traded a 2nd rounder for Orton, he didnt get his knee blown out the first play of the season similar to the way Brady went down?
That is true, if one looks at things as a straight line "all players are subject to injuries on any given play" However, Draftees are going through there first real "football" as professionals, the grind is totally different from what they have experienced and that exposes them to a greater risk to injury then a Vet who knows how to care for their bodies. I happened to watch the Jenkins injury, totally routine play, simply tried to plant his foot and his knee just gave way, that rarely happens to a vet, at least it is rare to see it happen to a vet.
Surely Tyrus Thomas was just a rookie the other night when he tore his ACL. Oh wait, he led their team in tackles in 2010 so he couldn't have been a rookie. No, no, I got it. Brandon Siler who is in his rookie season for the Chiefs just tore his achilles. Wait, that's not right either, he was with the Chargers for a few years. Max Hall who is now on IR because of a shoulder injury was a rookie, right? Not like he started a game for the Cardinals last year or anything. Reggie Torbor has to be a rookie, right? I mean he is on IR after all. There's about 25 other "rookies" (maybe more) out for the season too apparently. http://rotoworld.com/teams/injuries/nfl/all/
Yeah, Ronnie Brown and Reggie Bush never got injured on routine plays, oh wait. It does happen to vets. I'm still waiting for some objective numbers to show that rookies are more prone to injury than vets.
None of which had the imputed value of a draft choice. Let me add, I could make the same list for draft picks outside of Rd #1 and #2, however my point is, those two rds are overvalued to begin with, a 7th rd pick is not likely to play, and is not likely to be traded for a productive Veteran. Stuff like Jon Baldwin messing up his wrist in KC after getting into a locker room fight with Thomas Jones.
Did someone say in this thread that vets never get hurt? I never noticed if they did. The original premise of the thread as I understood it, was an unusually high number of 2nd round rookies this year, getting season ending injuries already. Regardless of a higher number than usual of vets getting hurt. It is just an odd phenomenon, no more 1sts than usual, no more 3rds or later than usual, or so it seems, getting hurt. The 2nd seems to be the more highly represented with season ending injuries this year. The other odd anomaly is the Giants with DBs. They got 5 of them on IR and also Prince out till at least week 5. Just since camps opened, we've had 10 Achilles injuries, not including some still recovering from earlier ones. That seems oddly high too.
Interesting that just 31 teams on that list. A certain team from a certain South Florida city is not included. knock on wood...
Sparano performed an appendectomy on himself with a spoon on the first day of training camp and said "I don't want to hear about you're hurt" to the entire team.
