Game 5 rewind study of Chad Henne..

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  1. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    I agree with that comparison. I made the same one months ago in the Club Level.

    Last year, I went back and watched some of Jim's time with Buffalo because at that time, I was also studying Belichick's defense with the Giants and one of the games was the Super Bowl between the two teams. Belichick said Jim always had a lot of issues reading defenses and that he could take advantage of that in the Super Bowl; he was right and he did. He was always a step slow but when Todd Marchibroda came in and got the ball out of his hands quick by simplifying his reads (similarly to how Daboll did with McCoy last season), he did well. The Giants, in the Super Bowl, did an excellent job of throwing multiple looks at him, stemming the front, rotating the secondary, etc. and they won.

    IMO, I feel that Henne was/has not properly developed and one of the reasons is because they gave him a lot on his plate early. I realize he sat and all that but I think they should have started with more progression reads, then go to progressions with coverage keys and then eventually, coverage reads. This new offense will be more stuff in it but I assume it will be quicker and simpler reads for Henne, as I mentioned earlier. We'll see audibles, sight adjustments, etc., but I assume it will be a lot more progression reads with coverage keys. I only assume that because of the rumoured pre-snap adjustments built in.

    JMHO though.
     
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  2. padre31

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    Among other things, the Giants defense also would do things like kick the football a little bit so the Ref would have to come and reset it and slow down the no huddle offense..sneaky boys that lot.

    I also recall BB saying if Thurman Thomas had 100 yds rushing the giants would win that SB, they won but by about 4 feet so to speak.

    Kelly had experience in the run and shoot in the USFL, and learned the KGun quickly..but..if you look at his stats

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KellJi00.htm

    He only reached 30 Td's one time most of the time his TD's were in the mid 20's, which to me is about Henne's level imho.

    Well, okay.

    :lol:

    To me, I see things more simply such as 'how do they maximize what Henne does well"?

    That would be nice intermediate touch and feel in the passing game, relatively fearless in the pocket, toughness

    What he does poorly is:

    extend plays, throw deep, work the sidelines well, work the back of the endzone well.

    A no huddle/3 wr set, a sort of Martzian offense would highlight his strengths and minimize his weaknesses save for poor touch on screen passes, effective screens are a staple of that offense..which Pouncey should help with....
     
  3. alen1

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    Yes sir. I watched the game and read BB's book. :up:


    Yeah, that's all part of it.

    I think he throws the deep comebacks down the sideline pretty well, specifically on the roll outs. Its what made Chris Palmer an appealing OC candidate to me.
     
  4. padre31

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    Funny thing is Alen, I am 100% CERTAIN that Parcells moved practices somewhere back then with the claim that someone was filming the Giants practices, ie Spygate before there was Spygate, but cannot find any references to that happening, is that in BB's book?

    At the time the Sporting News writers joked "who would want to film 100 off tackle dives anyway"?




    Go and fade routes outside the hashes do not exist for Chad Henne which is a part of the reason why BM's TD production was down Henne just could not, and would not, try to make that throw.

    imho of course.
     
  5. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Ahh.

    Nope, no reference to that in the book.

    Agreed on that point.
     
  6. ToddsPhins

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    If we can run it like NY with Brad Smith, then I don't have a problem with it lingering around. As long as it's effective, it's all good with me.
     
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    .... to which I respond--- How many opportunities does one need taken away?

    How many times does a QB need a ineffective wildcat subbed in inside the 35? (or wherever for that matter when the QB is moving the offense).
    How many times does an OC need to call runs inside the 35 because he and the coach prefer FGs rather than allowing his QB to take shots at the endzone after already driving the team 50+ yards? (And the "Henne sucks inside the redzone" argument doesn't fly here b/c he performed better than Bradford down there and he threw the same number of TDs & INTs per attempt as Brees with nearly an identical passer rating.)

    It's slightly difficult to throw TDs when your number isn't being called. You see, there's a common theme here: Henne moves the offense into field goal range; Henning subs the wildcat or calls 2 or 3 runs that do nothing--- field goal. Then repeat.... and repeat again.... and repeat after that..... then if we have a lead, we repeat it some more...... and if we're really lucky, Ronnie will get stopped for a loss that takes us out of FG position and undoes the nice drive Henne just had. That doesn't even touch on defenses basically knowing our play calling thanks to Henning.




    Side note: there's a difference between giving your opinion (which is perfectly fine) and speaking matter of factly as if you were a fly on the wall of the coach's office. The latter action is what I called pompous and arrogant because you do NOT know the reasons for Henne's benching, yet you were speaking as if you did.
     
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    Yes yes...wonder why I couldn't figure that out using Google...
     

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