My only one. As always, there are WTF picks I put in. Gotta make it more interesting since I hate these things. Quick thoughts - 1. Cam Newton to Carolina seems a bit obvious right now. He is very talented but needs a lot of learning. I am familiar with Chudzinksi's system, I know a lot of his pass concepts, I know he has a ton of shifts and motions but I expect him to dial that down a little. 2. Jake Locker to Washington is very likely IMO. 3. NE is really hard to figure out. They need help all over the place. They don't usually take OL high because they do a good job coaching them and get them late but they need someone at RT because Vollmer will move over to LT I assume. 4. I just realized I left off Mark Ingram. It just happened to end up like that. He could go to GB at 32 IMO. I slotted Wilkerson because he's a better fit and a bigger need IMO. 5. Flame away.
If you feel that way, me and you are on the same page then. I was sure someone would come in and say WTF which is why I said that.
Robert Quinn over Aldon Smith?!?!?! You Sir, are a HACK! A side note though Alen do you notice that the Top 32 names are all more or less settled? As a consensus has formed..or has it? I suspect the Pats surprise everyone and go Dline alen, as Belicheck's Glory Days featured a Dline that was loaded and they have not really restocked the Seymour's and Green's as of yet and they have Wilfork to build around and Ron Brace has been a disappointment imho.
Well they have been blasse towards the DL which is a surprise to me at least, I thought there was a study about 3-4 DE's not being as important as they recently were but with BB's background I just don't see him buying into that theory. FWIW I also do not see the Jets going OLB early as Ryan has not developed OLB/DE types his history is to find Vets who can quickly step in an contribute and start, with so few draft picks they will need more production out of their #1 pick imho. Bills are nutty, they like Athletes but have no real vision for them, Maybin and Spiller are great athletes who have not really contributed, they remind me of the Cardinals prior to Whiz showing up in the desert..great athletes taken with high picks.
They're not much of a 3-4 team if you look at their defense. Their a 4-3 under defense with the backside end in a 2 point stance. May look like the 3-4 but in reality, its not. I would be surprised if they didn't go DL with one of their picks. I suspect 28 will be traded but I am not going to predict trades here.
Interesting to see Aldon Smith falling that low, though personally I wouldn't be shocked - I have personally mocked him a bit low as well. All indications seem to be that Zona is going to pass on a rookie QB, which might really have a big effect if it's true. Bowers' status is totally up in the air right now, as is Ingram's. I can't disagree with much of this mock, once of the better ones out there I think. Lockers fits the Shannahan mold of QBs, and therefore I think that pick - while surprising - makes a ton of sense. He likes tough, athletic and mobile QBs who are good on the run and rolling out. Locker fits that much better than Mallett. Perhaps the Mallett rumors are about drumming up interest for a possible trade down. *edit* Really like the Dallas OL pick with Smith. I think Peterson would be target 1, but if he is gone I think they go OL with that pick, even over Prince. They desperately need help for Romo along that OL.
I don't know, the more I think about it the less I feel like we'll take Pouncey. If we go OL (at 15) I just feel like it will be Carimi or Castanzo if he's there (both offer more position flexibility IMO, which is something I believe the FO covets). I almost feel like we're going to end up going with a LB: Aldon Smith, Ayers, or Brooks Reed. Even though I think #15 is a little high for the latter two. Edit: Or even Kerrigan, as we've taken a Big Ten player in the 1st round every year so far. I don't much care for him myself though.
Great mock Alen, I would be a tad suprised to see Carimi drop that far but ya never know. i too had no RB's in the 1st round in my mock....I think its quite possible. Good read bro.
I think that's a pretty good mock that makes sense. I like the Locker to Washington pick. Someone will fall in love with this kid b/c of the type of person/player he is much like McDaniel did with Tebow. IMO Bowers goes top 10, but that's my only gripe..... and I could see a team trading up to get him. That's what I'm putting in my mock anyways. lol. TB swapping with Washington wouldn't surprise me considering how well the Bucs drafted last year, so they may feel they can sacrifice a pick and still do very well. Jax wouldn't surprise me either. I also think we'll see Dallas jump to 5 or 6 if Peterson is still there. I could also see Indy swapping with us to ensure they get the LT they covet due to the teams drafting immediately before them. Last, I believe we'll see either Buffalo, Cincy, Zona, or Tenn trade into the late first to ensure getting the 2nd tier QB they desire.
I would be a happy man, infact a Phins fan from this site met me at a bar to watch the draft last year....but I don't remember his name...nice guy though. Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk
I don't. I think he's actually talented and a good prospect. Is he worth 15 overall? Probably not but he should be a first rounder IMO.
I think it’s silly that Pouncey is considered a first rounder but Danny Watkins is considered a 2nd rounder.
Mike Pouncey would be a fine pick if you ask me, he fills a need nd can be coached up to a high level.
Watkins is considered a one by some but if he was Pouncey's age, he would probably be rated even higher than Pouncey.
I agree, which is sort of my point: purely as a player, Watkins is better, but Pouncey will be taken higher. Pouncey is riding his brother’s coattails here.
No, he's not. He's a good player. You can't view the prospects purely as players. If you did, the Draft would be a bigger disaster for some teams than it already is.
Like that bothers me. And I don’t see much meaning when you say that I can’t view prospects purely as players. That seems like a distinction without a difference. You’re getting a football player for a specific length of time defined by a contract. What he does during that period of time determines whether the pick was good or bad. Pouncey and Watkins will both probably sign 5 year contracts. I’d rather have Watkins over the next 5 years than Pouncey.
It should bother you because that's how teams end up with headcases, like the Bengals. Oh he's talented, who gives a damn that he's had two DUI's and several other legal issues. How do you not see much meaning? You can draft a guy just because he's talented but that doesn't mean you're getting a guy who is a good character, for example. Its easy to put the character grades aside and draft top talent. There's a reason why teams have two separate draft grades for players, one for overall talent, one for character. Way back before Rich McKay took over a horrific Tampa Bay team, teams were not caring much about character and other stuff; they were hell bent on getting talented players. Then McKay came in, put in his system, which changed the thinking of 70/30 talent to character ratio to 60/40 or in McKay's case, 40/60.
We’re not talking about character, we’re talking about whether or not Watkins being 4 years older than Pouncey is justification for Pouncey being drafted ~15 picks ahead of Watkins. At least, that’s what I’ve been talking about. I think Watkins should be a 1st rounder and Pouncey should be a 2nd rounder regardless of the age difference or anything else. If there’s some character issue here with Watkins that you know about but no one else does, I’d love to hear about that. In the absence of character issues, which neither Pouncey or Watkins have to my knowledge, then I think it’s silly that we’re talking about drafting at #15 a guy who’s inferior to a player who’ll be taken at, say, #30-35. Both are going to sign the same length of contract, so the age factor is irrelevant to me: Watkins at the end of his contract is still going to be young enough to play football effectively, and then you draft his replacement. That’s not a waste. And the Bengals’ problems stem from a lack of a dedicated scouting department. They take risks on character because they don’t know enough about the players to say “You know what, we can just get Player Y who’s just as good without the problems.”
That is part of the grade man. Yes, the scouting department is the problem in Cincinnati. It doesn't excuse them from being idiots and not doing their job right.
Then, as I said, I don’t know why we’d take Pouncey when Watkins is a better player. This is why I think Pouncey is riding his brother’s coattails. Never said it did.
Its not universally accepted that Watkins is a better player. I may think so, you may think so, but John Doe, scout of the Chicago Bears, may not. Sounded like you were making an excuse for them.
The Chicago Bears don’t pick at #15, nor would I care if the Bears did pick at #15 and took Pouncey instead of Watkins. I’m not a Bears fan. I have no investment whatsoever in their poor decision-making. I have no interest in defending the Bengals.
How do you know we're more likely to take Pouncey than Watkins or that we have Pouncey rated higher? Even if we did have Pouncey higher, it's not like some unforgiveable mistake for someone to think Pouncey is more talented.
You are missing the point. The Bears are just an example. My point was that not everyone shares your opinion on those two players in comparison.
Just saw your edit. I don't see how age can be irrelevant to you. Why draft his replacement when you can re-sign him? If you go that route, would you rather have a 33 year old or a 27 year old after five years?
I do not think things are that clear cut Alen, for example Bo Jackson was 26 when he finally started playing in the NFL meaning this is such a one yr league you can make that sort of move "if" the player is simply that good and ready to contribute as the NFL at it's heart is a one yr league, or a one season league which is why Free Agents are signed. 5 yrs is an eternity in NFL time. Name that sticks out to me concerning Watkins is Nick Kaczur and oddly enough, both were Canadian Football players.
I was going by Desides example of 5 years. If a player is good for you those years, you can re-sign him by paying him.
We’re speaking strictly on the basis of players who’ve been associated with the team. We don’t know that the Dolphins prefer one guy over the other, but at the same time, no one seriously seems to take issue with the idea that Carolina will take Cam Newton. You work with the information you have. Besides, my objection is couched in a massive if. No, I didn’t miss the point, I worked in a jab at the Bears (an organization I dislike for a variety of reasons) while responding to your point. Re-signing isn’t automatic, and if I don’t want Pouncey to begin with, why would I want to re-sign him in five years?
Ok, thanks for responding to my post then. Who said it was automatic? The point was, if you drafted one or the other and you had the option of re-signing them, would you rather have a 27 or 33 year old?
