Sales taxes are unquestionably unfair to the middle class and poor. If not then make the prices of everything we buy based on what you earn. If you make $ 100,000 and a car you want costs $ 20,000 then make that same car cost $ 5,000 for the man that earns $ 20,000. Of course that would never work. So the only way to even it out a little bit is to make those with larger incomes pay a higher rate of income tax. The man making $ 100,000 paying a tax rate of 35% would still have $ 65,000 left over, and the guy making $ 20,000 with a tax rate of 30% would have $ 14,000. $ 65,000 can make a life a lot more comfortable than an income of $ 14,000. To me the sacrifice of the few thousand dollars and still having 65 % of your income left is worth it, to ensure that our country & its people might have a better future. But that is because I have a sense of morality and love of Jesus & God. Many people I understand don't have that, and of course are not compassionate at all. They are just cold, hard-hearted, and have no love of anyone but themselves.
I love it when people call me a liar, passively, and can't figure out how to use Google so I can prove them a fool. In the late 1950s, the poverty rate for all Americans was 22.4 percent, or 39.5 million individuals. http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/ I never said that 8% of all households make $240,000. I said, ON AVERAGE (yes, there is a difference), 8% of the households makes $240,000. I won't supply you with the links (or math) on how I came up with this TRUE figure. Especially after you called me a liar. Do your own work. As for the rest of your hyperbole, I live in the real world. Where the hard working get ahead (again, there are exceptions to this). You try and act as if you know anything about me. You want me to visit a mission? Son, I probably gave more to charity last year than you made. However, I choose who I give to and how much. As for your poor mother of 3, I guess she can't afford three kids, huh? Maybe if she didn't have 3 kids she could have worked 40 hours and gone to school, huh? I doubt it. I bet she's too stupid to get a high school diploma. Also, Effective through September 30, 2010, the living wage for Miami-Dade County is $11.36 per hour with health benefits, or $13.01 per hour if health benefits are not provided. At 90 hours per week, that's nearly $1100 per week WITH benefits or $1200 without. And that's just factoring straight pay with no OT. When I was younger, before the military or kids, I lived off of about $300 per week, AND...paid for college. Seems to me that she's bad at budgeting or not working "90 hours per week". lol
Hey, there is a place JUST like you're describing. Pack your ****, and move to any communist country of your choosing. lol.. You can't be serious? You want me to sell my $50,000 car to a poor person for only $5,000? HAHAHAH!! To YOU it's worth it?!?!? LOL! That's because you're either living with your parents (still young) or poor. hahahahh!!
The government only OFFICIALLY began keeping poverty records in 1959. Any number before that time is pure conjecture, and not anything based on fact. The number since 1959 has always been around 12-15%. Anyways, my whole argument is really supported by your numbers. That the unionization and empowerment of workers during the 1950's actually RAISED the incomes of Americans, and that giving the lower & middle classes more income to work with helped ease the rate of poverty in this nation more than anything else. That trend has been reversing since Reagan's "Trickle down economics" and got even worse under Bush and his ridiculous tax decrease for the rich. As for the lady I know, this was in the early 1990's and her wages were never above $ 7.75 an hour for the U of Miami job, and I know she was making just a few cents above minimum wage at the Baptist Hospital job. She had 3 kids and was alone because her husband had left her high & dry and was nowhere to be seen. She received no child support, and was caring as well for a grandson. Feeding 5 mouths, paying a mortgage, and never asking for government help as in welfare, or any handouts she always believed her hard work would pay off. I know she lost her home a year or so after I left my job at the U and had to move back to Georgia and live with her mother because she couldn't make a go of it on her own any longer. Sir more people are in her boat than you would know of. As for your income, I could care less. And why would you, of all people, give to a charity ? I thought you only believed in hard work to get ahead and anyone needing help is lazy & stupid. Fact is, no matter how much you trumpet yourself, I will not believe it. Your posts in the past, and in this thread don't give me much comfort to think you would go out of your way to ever help someone in need.
It's rather difficult to suggest that the association to racism is an indefensible leap when as noted, people who were behind the tactic have admitted to it. Go look up Lee Atwater's infamous quote on the Southern Strategy, or former RNC head Ken Mehlman on the history of its use. It's off-topic, but by all means, educate yourself.
Wrong. In 1959, poverty rates were greater than 22%: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_otfwl2zc6Qc/TJgxEwPv7RI/AAAAAAAAObs/AU8XbvZCSdo/s1600/poverty.jpg This is not "conjecture", it is fact obtained from the U.S. Census Bureau. Back to your lady friend. Why is it my fault that her husband doesn't pay child support? There are avenues that MY TAX DOLLARS pay for in order for her to get help with that. I give charity to those who I feel deserve it, as is my right. And there you go again with the passive aggressiveness. All you have is "you're a liar". You can't do anything other than assume. I've given facts and you've whined.
Again, whether or not the number was 22% in 1960, then you will have to admit that either empowering the masses with greater wealth by unionization or government policy (the War on Poverty) worked. No Reaganomics or Bush tax decreases for the rich have helped, as a matter of fact your chart shows that the number of people in poverty has steadily climbed since Bush Tax decrease for the rich was instituted. And I have never called you a liar, I just don't believe you. You seemingly live in a fantasy world most of the time if you believe this country is better off than before the Bush Tax Decreases for the Rich. Your own chart shows otherwise. And giving to charity is different than actually WORKING with a charity. But of course I'm sure its beneath you to get your delicate hands dirty doing anything for stupid & lazy people who ask for charitable help.
Sales taxes are not unquestionable unfair to say so it borderline ignorant. If your poor and middle class your % rate is teh same but the cost of goods for which rates are applied are alot smaller therefore you actual tax is smaller. Basically the truth of what you want is the rich to pay your portion or assume the burden for you since they are successful and maybe you are not. Or in other wards you were successful and I was not lets punish you for success. If party A buys 1 item at 1000000 and party B buys 10 items aty 10000 each paying 10% sales tax, A is paying 100000 in taxes you pay 1000 or 99000 less. yeah really unfair
Man you suck at spinning. You clearly wrote earlier that the 1950's were better as far as poverty. I clearly showed you that this was false. You do realize that once you go to the next page on an internet forum that what you wrote previously isn't erased, right?
Oh give me a break you do live in fantasy land. I didn't say I wanted to do that, in fact I gave that as an example, and then said but that is impossible to live with. Re-read my post please. And I didn't say anything about YOU selling a car or any material goods. But I was giving an example of how sales taxes are unfair to the poor & middle class. They are, and there is no way around that. The numbers don't lie. You really are incorrigible
You really don't understand. Reread my post about the refrigerator. If you don't understand THEN, then you are either being obstinate or are just thick. And again I will reiterate, sales taxes are unfair to middle class and poor people. The numbers don't lie.
Can you please answer the question of did Reaganomics or The Bush Tax Decrease for the Rich help the economy ? According to your chart they both increased poverty.
only in bleeding hearts is it unfair. again askibg forDISCRIMINITORY income tax rates punish success. it isnt warren buffets responsibility to make your life easier. you do that for yourself. so yes it is ridiculous to say someone owes you because they make more. thats just jealousy. sales tax is fair because it is based on what you spend. millionaires buy million dollar hpmes so they pay 6 figure taxes, middle pays for their house that millionaire pays in taxes but you are right thats unfair cause he should have paid yours right?
exactly, punish. It says the more success you strive for the more you have to pay. That expansion project projects a 15% increase in profits, now under normal circumstances that would lead to the = equiv in increased taxes paid, but because your successful we are going to increase the eff % you pay by 5% so your success cost you a greater %. That is a punishment. it penalizes success. Also this utopia some live in, the rich got rich but taking on more expenses without increasing revenue? NOPE. You increas their costs in 1 area they will make it up elsewhere like layoffs, less spending, stock sales, thgey recoup the costs, price increases, etc all to make back what they lost. You want to increase the effective rate they pay, take away the abuses in teh loopholes by writing specific language that leaves nothing to chance or interpretation or better yet go to an 18% flat tax, noo credits, no loopholes nothing. Sales tax works because everyone buys food, everyone buys clothes, everyone spends. So you increase the number of people paying in. there are no exceptions to sales tax either meaning everything is taxed.
Once again, how is it a theory when its been admitted to? If it's a "theory", it's like if Lee Harvey Oswald came out and said "Yup Castro hired me to do it" while being photographed shaking Fidel Castro's hand while signing a legal confession with at least three notary publics standing there.
not sure if this has been reported but smith says he wont take a paycheck during the lockout..good jesture..
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Huh ? Who is asking anyone to pay for someone else's home. You really are off your crock. Sales taxes are inherently unfair taxes to the middle class and poor. Its a fact. What this country needs to do is eliminate loopholes for the rich, force people to pay their taxes (it makes me angry when I see those commercials for companies to help people get out from under IRS debt....if they had paid their taxes on time, they wouldn't have the IRS coming after them) under penalty of jail time, eliminate sales taxes and then make IRS taxes a flat rate - ZERO loopholes. Then we'd see much of our national debt go away and might actually have a surplus.
But sales taxes also punish the poorest by forcing them to pay more of their income in taxes than anyone else. The less you make that means you pay a higher % of your income in sales taxes. That is how the French Revolution started. The poorest peasants paid almost all of the taxes in the Kingdom, while the King, nobility and church paid nothing, and lived in disgusting luxury. It eventually led to such resentment, it brought down the King, Nobles & Church and in came the Reign of Terror and eventually Napoléon Bonaparte. Same thing happened in Russia, the monarchy was toppled because the majority of the population was groaning under a system that was unfairly weighted to the few on top. The reaction to that regime was a complete turning of their system to a radical socialism. Lest people think it can never happen here, it can happen here, and were on the road to seeing it happen. What is that old saying...."Those who forget history are condemned to repeating it" ???
