The likelihood of a trade down much more a possibility? considering the lockout.

Why would I stop saying that Chad Henne is the biggest problem on our team? Newsflash...he is. I am beginning to think you did not watch the games last year.

 

Cash, I watched the games last year and I said it over and over and over again...

Henne WASN'T our biggest problem. Our ANEMIC running game was the problem. We hardly EVER ran the ball. Go look at the stats. When we ran the ball 27 times or MORE during a game, we won...and Henne had great numbers.

When we abandoned the run all together and strictly stuck to throwing the ball, we lost every single one of those games.

The play calling was OUR biggest problem last year, not Henne.

 

10 years of 1st round NFL QBs taken after Marino retired (Just to show that finding his replacement is easier said than done):

1999: 5 QBs drafted. 3 busted. (both non-busts taken top 11 so we would've needed to trade up our current 15 pick).

2000: 1 QB drafted (Pennington). Not a franchise QB.

2001: 1 QB drafted (Vick #1 overall).

2002: 3 QBs drafted. 3 busted.

2003: 4 QBs drafted. 3 busted. (would've needed to trade up for Palmer at #1)

2004: 4 QBs drafted. 1 busted. (3 non-busts were taken top 11, so we would've needed to trade up current 15 pick).

2005: 3 QBs drafted. 2 busted.

2006: 3 QBs drafted. 2 busted. (would've needed to trade up for non-bust).

2007: 2 QBs drafted. 2 busted.

2008: 2 QBs drafted. 0 busted.

Based on our current 15th pick, if we drafted a QB available & worthy of that spot, only 3 from 10 years after Marino would've qualified as franchise or near franchise caliber guys. That's a 70% chance of wasting a #15 pick.

The rest would've required a trade up.
Roughly 12 of these trade-ups would've required a future 1st round pick, with 7 of these QBs busting..... (2 of the 5 non-busts, Carson Palmer & Mike Vick, have been anything but consistent during their careers). That's a 58% chance of wasting 2 first rounders with one pick.

 

What bothers me is Dolfans rarely give a young Qb time to develop, if there is one thing I've seen over the yrs unless the Rook Qb comes in and throws 3 Td's and for 300 yds, fans are disappointed in them.

That is my #2 reason for not throwing Henne overboard, but admittedly not trusting him as our Qb, yr #2 for a Qb in the NFL is historically a down yr as Defenses have books on their strengths and weaknesses, it is up to the young Qb to then take the next step of either proving the "book" wrong, or by operating so efficiently within their limitations they are no bar to winning.

 

lol. I'm beginning to think you don't watch any other football outside of Dolphin games.

Were you busy making a sammich during all of our Special Team's blunders?....... on a pee-pee break whenever we were in the redzone and played for FGs despite Henne's 89 redzone rating?...... on a poo-poo break every time our ground game laid an egg?......... grabbing a fresh beer each time our defense squandered one of their league-leading missed turn over opportunities?......... not aware that Oline injuries & shuffling cause problems? forgot that we had an OC who was forced into retirement?

You're right----- The entire team played flawlessly throughout the season, and we were impeccably coached as well. It all falls on 1 person, Henne.

 

Come on now TP, let's be fair here, Henne was massively hesitant to throw the ball into the EZ, he typically took the check down or just threw the ball out of bounds.

He also was incapable of hitting passes deep down the field.

All of which can be worked with.."if"..the running game is fixed, granted it will look like WannyBall, but we still can win playing that way.

And THAT is why I've been banging three drums this offseason:

-rebuild the running game,
-fix ST for pete's sakes
-need another passrusher

Not impossible things to accomplish in one offseason, as long as they know they have to fix them.

 

I never said Henne wasn't part of the problem, Pods. I'm merely stating that we had too many problems last year to scapegoat all of them on a single player.

 

I wonder how much that knee injury effected his accuracy down the field.

The hole in your argument is, when the Qb is doing well, it covers up weaknesses elsewhere on the team, when Henne is just average on an average team, you wind up with a .500 record or so.

 

I can't disagree with that..... but I'm not sure if even Brady makes us an AFC champ contending team last year..... or possibly even the playoffs.

Agree about the knee issue. From someone who's been a QB and a pitcher, I have a difficult time believing a sprained left knee didn't affect his passing...... especially down field when his weight transfer is absorbed by it. I find it coincidental that during the first half of the season Chad was on par with Ryan, Flacco, and Freeman with about an 87 QB rating (lowered from 89 b/c of the Pitt INT).

 

Please Dont forget about Tedd Ginn Jr

 

Suspect he is staying in SF 2socks, if not bring him back in we need that sort of player on the cheap.

 

Would you mind showing me where I posted that Chad Henne was to blame for all of our problems last year? Please do not misquote me anymore. I said he was our "BIGGEST" problem. Reading is fundamental.

 

I saw what a lot of other posters on here saw last year watching Chad Henne play QB for us. And what I saw was pathetic. Can't make the short throws that require touch. Intermediate passes were off target a lot. Henne's deep throws were horrible. Can not sense pressure in the pocket, can not avoid a solid pass rush, looks lost when his first read is not there...

Let me ask you this. On a percentage scale, what percentage chance do you think that Chad Henne is our future franchise QB?

 

as long as he can unlearn or break the shackles this regime put on him last year ... i do !

i firmly believe the hesitantcy and drop down we got without a doubt was a result of regime demands and pressure ..... they likely ruined him for this franchise last year. the worst thing that ever happened to him was CP falling into our laps .... he didn't suck in '09, regardless of OL, running game, etc ... oh and there is the knee injury question as well. if i got a consistent performance much like the one he gave in the PIT game (and throw in some deep throws) -- yes, i'd be perfectly fine with Henne to lead us to the playoffs and beyond.

don't get me wrong though, as DJ knows - i too am a fan of drafting CKap .... but wouldn't do it before rd 3; as there are no guarantees .... but, if i were a GM and the PHINS wanted to get rid of Henne - i'd certainly be happy to take him.