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NFL Players’ Association files for decertification

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  1. Mar 11, 2011 #1
    Desides

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    Breaking all over Twitter. Chris Mortensen, Adam Schefter, NFLN, etc.

    Hope you guys like baseball, because we’re going to be watching the MLB playoffs in September. Go Marlins.
     
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    RoninFin4

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    Dang. Go Reds I guess, but I'm going to miss the NFL.
     
  3. Mar 11, 2011 #3
    Dol-Fan Dupree

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    My understanding was with decertification there will be football in September
     
  4. Mar 11, 2011 #4
    padre31

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    CFL starts in July, not worried a bit, they will get something worked out as greedy people will never pass on money..not once.
     
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  5. Mar 11, 2011 #5
    Desides

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    Not necessarily. It means that locking the players out will be tougher but not impossible, and it means the now-former NFLPA can file an antitrust lawsuit against the NFL. That lawsuit will drag out as long as it takes.

    As of this moment, don’t count on anything except the NFL draft.
     
  6. Mar 11, 2011 #6
    muscle979

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    Fortunately I do like baseball. I better get back into college football as well to fill the void. If the NFL misses a single game I hope they all lose tons of money.
     
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    Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I guess I couldn't count on football, however my understanding was that is near impossible to lock out the players. The only back up the NFL had to still be able to lock out the players it to declare the decertification a sham. However there is rules in the old CBA to make that really difficult.
     
  8. Mar 11, 2011 #8
    Desides

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    All the NFL teams have to do is cease operations. It’s not impossible to keep the players out.
     
  9. Mar 11, 2011 #9
    Shamboubou

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    When is enough money enough...I mean when your talking Billions of dollars why are they conflicting over pennies. This is all just a bunch of crap and just highlights one of the biggest things wrong with this country.
     
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    Stringer Bell

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    Does this mean Stephen Ross can sign Peyton Manning????
     
  11. Mar 11, 2011 #11
    Desides

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    The problem that directly led to decertification is that DeMaurice Smith refused to back off his demand to see 10 years of financial statements. Previous CBAs didn’t need that level of disclosure to get a deal done.

    Basically, the hotshot new head honcho wanted to prove his toughness and threw the sport under the bus.
     
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    Dol-Fan Dupree

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    what would be the ramifications if that happened?
     
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    Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Previous CBAs didn't ask for the players to take a 1 billion dollar pay cut
     
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    Desides

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    Imagine a business closing its doors.

    They didn’t need to.
     
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    Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Wouldn't that open the door to a lot more lawsuits from their partners?


    I have been following this process for a little bit. Closing operations never came up as an option
     
  16. Mar 11, 2011 #16
    Desides

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    They’re willing to take that risk.
     
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    Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Really? How can you be so sure?

    If the NFL just closed down for business, what does that mean for contracts that are currently in play? Does that mean that Peyton Manning could sign with another team?
     
  18. Mar 11, 2011 #18
    Paul 13

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    I think so. Seriously, this whole saga is silly. Im rooting for the owners because i hate unions. And i like the underdog. Love the grandstanding by de smith. 10 yrs of audited financials in less than 15 mins. U had two years to request this. They didnt give it to them then why would they do it now? Itll go to court and be a huge waste of money. Lawyers will be happy though.
     
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    Desides

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    They were willing to go to court against a judge who consistently rules against them, and you think they aren’t willing to go all the way to “win” this? They’ll deal with the lawsuits later.
     
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    Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It seems like throwing money away. With decertification they can put in their own rules. So they can play the season AND win.
     
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    Dol-Fan Dupree

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    They have been requesting it for at least a year.
     
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    Desides

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    The NFL was opposed to decertification because they don’t want to deal with the antitrust lawsuit. But they clearly preferred taking their chances in court rather than disclosing their finances.
     
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    Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The NFL has to deal with the antitrust lawsuit with a season or without a season.
     
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    Desides

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    If they had disclosed financials, then the NFLPA would still be certified.
     
  25. Mar 11, 2011 #25
    Larryfinfan

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    Hey De Smith, how does it feel to be unemployed ?? Join the gang you greedy azz.... I'm going to start a class action suit if Smith continues to negotiate as the "player rep" !!

    I just can't imagine any judge holding a company (the NFL) to showing it's books to it's employees (NFL players)...that just doesn't happen in any business....
     
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    Paul 13

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    The nflpa can strike but the owners cant lockout. Fair?
     
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    Paul 13

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    Ya thats what i meant. Two years actually.
     
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    Dol-Fan Dupree

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    that has zero to do with what we are talking about.
     
  29. Mar 11, 2011 #29
    Desides

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    We’re talking about whether or not the NFL would risk lawsuits from its partners if they closed operations. I’m saying that the NFL is clearly willing to deal with those lawsuits, because they refused to keep negotiations going by disclosing financials. They’re all-in on the issue.
     
  30. Mar 11, 2011 #30
    Paul 13

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    If i asked my boss for his financials hed slap me.
     
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    Dol-Fan Dupree

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    No, all that proves is that they are willing to deal with one lawsuit from the NFLPA.

    Now that the NFLPA decertified they can create rules and start the season. Deal with the lawsuit by the NFLPA and make money while dealing with the lawsuit by the players.

    To close operations would be throwing money away for no good reason, other than maybe punishing the players. However that would just open them up to more lawsuits and maybe more headaches that I do not know about.

    Plus if all 32 teams close down thier operations, I would imagine that would help the lawsuit against them from the NFLPA
     
  32. Mar 11, 2011 #32
    SICK

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    This isnt a normal business, at my job, if i ask for something, or demand something they can just replace me.....the nfl and the owners make their money off of the performance of people doing something a very low % of people can do. Sure me and you can go play for 500 bucks a game, but will people watch it? will you buy my jersey? doubt it. This isnt just some random job. Its entertainment, the nfl makes $ because of the special **** the players do.....
     
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    Desides

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    Giants owner John Mara speaking now. Says the NFLPA has not budged from any of its stances since last September and he thinks the plan all along was to decertify. I agree.
     
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    Dol-Fan Dupree

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    you should work for a better company
     
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    SICK

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    And the owners had plans all along to lockout and make money off tv deals.......uh-oh.......
     
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    Stringer Bell

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    I'm not necessarily sure that a lawsuit is a certainty right now or at least until the NFL owners try to lock them out.
     
  37. Mar 11, 2011 #37
    Two Tacos

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    What happens to the $4 billion in TV money next year if they do that? I know it's Guaranteed if there is a lockout or strike, but if they cease operations that could be a violation of their contract.
     
  38. Mar 11, 2011 #38
    Desides

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    You’re skipping over the hypothetical part where they close doors to keep the decertified players locked out.

    If they close doors and get sued as you stipulate, they are clearly willing to deal with that because they did not disclose financials to keep the NFLPA negotiations going. They went all in. They’re so determined to keep their books closed that they will deal with the legal fallout from their business partners if that’s what it takes.

    Judge Doty already threw that out. The NFL doesn’t have its lockout slush fund anymore.
     
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    SICK

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    I thought a judge ruled to put that money in an escrow instead of the owners getting it?
     
  40. Mar 11, 2011 #40
    Dol-Fan Dupree

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    They didn't go all in, they just raised the stakes. Right now there is one lawsuit, period. They have a lot of deals right now that is based on the NFL teams existing. Take Madden for instance. If there isn't a Dallas Cowboys, wouldn't that open up a lawsuit by EA? That is a lot of lawsuits they would not have to deal with.

    You are saying because of A, they are willing to do B, C, D, E, F, G.

    I am saying because of A, they are willing to do A.
     
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