Well, by now the Jets salary cap problems should be well known, with players such as: -Holmes -Edwards -Harris -Cromartie -B Smith Among others all up for Free Agency, and with others such as Jason Taylor, Damien Woody, LT all possibly not returning, are they beginning to rebuild? I ask because: -they signed 17 guys to futures contracts all in one day, including several Linebackers such as Brashton Satele, Cody Brown, Shawn Crable in that mix -they made a sizable offer to CFL Total Yardage Leader Chad Owens to maybe replace FA to be Brad Smith -Rumor is they plan on using their only Franchise Tag on ILB David Harris, the only member of their linebacking corps starters under the age of 30 -Vern Gholston is going to be waived as yet another colossal NJ Jest Draft Bust -Have said they will take a look at Plaxico Burress when he is released from jail this summer. What do folks think they are doing up in NJ? That seems like a ton of moves that are of the type a rebuilding team would make, with their Cap Number already over the last Salary Cap of 128 million in 2009, how will they come up with the funds to pay all of those front line Free Agents?
They dont have a choice. Their window of opportunity was very small dictated by the way they did business. They mortgaged their future for the success they had the last 2 years, and they fell short. Let's not forget that LT is more than likely done as well. I like the analogy I saw at another site. Sparano lost weight by doing things the correct way, he dieted, and exercised. It took him a longer time to do it but he did it. Fat Rex did the ultimate quick surgery. Took all of a day, and like 10 days to lose weight. The teams are each a reflection of that. Sparano et el has taken their time to draft smart, develop their own players and we are now very deep at a few key positions, we still have some to go, but D-Line, D-backfield and WR are pretty solid for many years to come..... The jests tried to do everything with a lap-band surgery, and they are now where they were 2 years ago....
Add in AZ, they also have lost additional picks in this yr's draft, so they are holding a cattle call looking for pieces. Great analogy about the lap band vs hard work, to me it is the difference between a NY/NJ sensibility and a small town CT sensibility, both organizations reflect the way their head coaches do business.
Its not just this draft they have traded away, they traded away an entire draft for Snatcho, Greene and a mediocre lineman that is probably gonna end up getting cut. They have traded away their future for that short window. Now they are done IMHO. I like all the talk about them bringing in Asoumugha or OuchoStinko et el. They have zero clout or leverage. IF the brought in Aso, he and Revis would send them sooooo far over the cap, they would have to cut any other value they had and hire kids off the street. It is indeed the tortoise and the hare. Fat Rex is the brash Hare, and Tony S is the Tortoise.
Not gonna happen. He wants to see LOTS of time at WR, and he would be #4 at best on our roster. I bet he ends up in Carolina.
Yep, the Jets do not have a Second Rd pick this yr, meaning our draft and theirs is similar,only we are on the #15 overall rotation, they are on the #30 rotation. This is sort of the great unsaid about the Jets, they really have mortgaged the future for the now, and it has become later. They are so hard up against a cap, which will shrink if the new CBA includes the so called clawbacks, that they will have to waive guys along with being unable to sign guys, anyone they may want to add via FA will have to take a shave along with waiving someone to match their incoming salary. Small wonder they are signing everyone with a pulse and has ever shown a modicum of promise or talent and is on the street atm.
I suspect they really like Pat Carter for a Brad Smith type of role this yr, ex UFLer in CT. The jets maybe are in the situation where they will not only not be able to sign guys, they will also have to ask current players such as B Scott to "restructure" their contracts..wonder how long the lovey dovey stuff with Rexxy will go on with that happening? "I love playing for Rex Ryan" "Great, we are going to restructure your deal to sign someone new" "screw that noise"
The Jets are going to franchise Harris because it is the most cost effective way to keep him. If he is left to hit the FA market, they would have to pay him more than what they will if they franchise him. It's the smart thing to do and it has nothing to do with his age. LT makes a relatively modest 2.4 mil in base pay. If the Jets want him, he will be back. The Jets won't pay WR money for Smith. If someone else is willing, they will let him walk. That leaves Holmes, Edwards and Cromartie. I believe Holmes and Cro will be back. So that leaves Edwards. I think they can survive, as they did in 2009 with Edwards and Cotchery. Taylor and Ellis are most likely gone. I love Ellis as a life long Jet, but he is old. Taylor is done and can be replaced with someone much younger and cheaper. And I have no problem with them considering Plaxico (assuming the guy can still play). If Vick can get another chance after dog fighting, Plaxico deserves one for shooting himself in the leg.
But there is the thing of it, a Tag on him will cost 8 million, the Jets were already over the 09 Cap, where will the money come from to sign anyone else? Doubt you can even afford that, the budget for this yr was 128 million, the cap in 09 was 127 million. The owners plan is to claw back 1 billion from 32 rosters which means the cap number will actually decrease past the 09 level. And Chad Owens flat turned the Jets down, meaning you'll either have to draft someone, or hope McKnight can show more than he has on Returns. There is that Cap again, if you pay Harris, you will be over the cap by a large amount, how are you going to pay them as well? Problem being, even if Taylor, Ellis, and LT and Woody and Jenkins are released you've only saved around 8 million, that will pay for Harris, you've got to come up with another 16 million at least just to sign Cromartie and Holmes, nevermind Edwards, and you'll have to pay the 2011 draft class as well. How is that going to work again? Agree with that, in any other city in the country Burress at most would have been fined for accidentally shooting himself, only in NYC will they pay to lock someone up who was that productive a member of Society for what boiled down to a accident. Be that as it may, will be fun watching the Jets dismantle themselves this offseason...
And a QB with a bum shoulder. This is what Pennington first said as well: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f..._insists_its_improved_may_not_r.html?r=sports
How about we talk when there is an actual cap number instead of speculating? Money is going to come off their payroll. The free agents also had salaries that would have counted against the cap. You have to take the difference between their expiring deal and the new one. I'd bet dollars to donuts the Jets retaain at least 3 of the Holmes, Edwards, Harris, Cromartie, Smith group. And they are very stable at what is considered the most important position on the team: QB. I would not want to be entering the 4th year of a rebuilding program with huge question marks surrounding that position. sent from my EVO 4G
Because BB, Holmes and Edwards and Smith and Harris were all in the final, cheapest yrs typically, of their Rookie Contracts, their pay rate will only go upwards x3 or x4 times as after all, they did help to lead the team to the AFC Title game. The teams that peddled those players with expiring rookie deals knew quite well they will want to be paid like upper echelon talent which is why they gave them away seemingly so cheaply.
Add one more starter to the list: Brodney Pool, who apparently has recovered from migraines that looked like concussions during his Browns career. 7 Starters up for FA?
They were one of the oldest teams this past year and they do have a ton of people who wouldn't work under a reasonable cap. Rebuilding? Maybe not rebuilding, but I hear they are looking into getting after young talent...
What surprises me is we are barely outspending the Bills, this with adding Dansby and Marshall. Jets are spending 20 million more than the next closest team in the AFCE..
After some research, it seems to be very accurate. So as it stands right now, The Jets have $120,589,122 on the books. This doesn't include the expiring contacts of the FA's. Based on the numbers from this website, here is what I would start with: Cut: Jenkins: -4,600,000 Thomas: -3,700,000 Woody: -3,240,000 LT: -2,425,000 Taylor: -2,275,000 Hartsock: -1,650,000 Brunnell: -1,300,000 Turner: -480,000 Gholston: -466,666 That leaves them at $100,452,456. I disagree that the salary cap will be lower than 09. I don't see the players caving on that issue. They will concede the 18 game season and the rookie cap. But until the CBA is done, it's all speculation. I am going to go with the 09 cap figure of $127,000,000. That will leave the Jets roughly $27,000,000. Here is an analysis of franchising Harris. http://nyjetscap.com/harrisvalue.php 10.3 mil is a ton of money for Harris. I really don't think he would get that on the open market and the Jets would be better off negotiating a long term deal. But for now, let's whack 10 mil off the 27 mil and we have 17 mil remaining. So with 17 mil remaining, they need to sign Holmes or Edwards. I say Holmes, but I don't know how they would structure the deal and what the 2011 cap number would be. Holmes is good, but he is NOT in the class of the top 5 paid receivers, which averages around 10 mil. I'd like to see them work a deal that has a cap figure of around 7 mil. We are then down to 10 mil and Edwards is gone. Here is where I just don't know how to continue. I have no idea what Cromartie is worth without doing a ton of research to see what others at the position are being paid. He's above average...a little less than good. What would you pay him? Got me I'd bring back LT at a lower number, especially since he wears down as the season goes on. Hunter filled in nicely for Woody and I think they could go on without him. Jenkins hasn't played meaningful games for the Jets in 2 years, so there is no loss there. I also don't think they need to tie up 1.3 mil in a backup QB. Sanchez has proved to be pretty durable and all you need is a guy that can fill in for a half or a game. Anything more than that and the season is lost anyway. They definitely have their work cut out for them, but I don't think it is impossible to keep their real good players and replace the ones that will have to be replaced. But then again, I am not an NFL GM. All the doom and gloom over the potential cap is found in this forum. But I've yet to read on any sports news site that the Jets won't be able to sign anyone. In fact, Gary Myers thinks the Jets should sign Nnamdi. How the hell can he say that if there cap situation is so dire? http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...re_are_10_things_the_jets_can_do_to_get_.html I think reality lies between this forum's predictions of the Jets demise and Myers "sign everyone" recommendation. I really think there are a ton of factors that need to play out and it all starts with the CBA. But in the meantime, enjoy your prognostication of the Jets descent to last place
So how many starters is that you plan on waiving? And you would be down around 110 million, if the clawback happens, and I expect it to happen but not for 1 billion, the cap would be down around 120 million or so (32 teams x 20 million per team in cap reduction or 620 million clawed back) with 11 starters to replace or resign? Folk Ellis Woody LT Holmes Edwards Smith Poole Cromartie Taylor Smith Jenkins (though effectively he has been replaced) 25 starters on a team, 11 offense, 11 defense, K,P,LS, Returner. How many are you jettisoning again?
No, I would be down to around 100 mil based on that website and I would then look to add back players. That was my starting point. Hey - I bet the owners would love a cap of 60 mil. Miami better get busy! Seriously, until there is a CBA, this is an exercise in futlity.
CBA, or not, as of yet, it is clear the 2011 Jets team will look much different from the one that went to the AFC Title game in 2010, add in 6 draft choices all in the later rds and you guys may not hear it said but "Rebuilding" is what will happen. I suspect Bryan Thomas will be a casualty as well sooner or later BB. BTW, who was the last young linebacker Rex and his staff have developed?
And the 2010 team looked different than the 2009 team. I want the 2011 team to look different. The 2010 wasn't good enough. As far as your linebacker question, this is Rex's 2nd year. Who exactly was he supposed to develop?
Which means unless they land a FA willing to work dirt cheap, you will be starting a Rook in a very complex Defense. Rexxy had Crable and Brown, both high picks, neither saw the field, add in Ghost, and Rexxy's linebacker development is somewhere around, oh, -0- or so. With the cap environment moving forwards and 2 of 4 of your linebackers over 30, someone may need to text him and ask about it. And added to the list of either departed starters, or FA's: Trevor Price So: And oh yeah, isn't Sanchez slated to make 13 million this yr or so?
His cap number for 2011 is $17,753,125. From nyjetscap.com His salary cap number drops in 2012 ($14,253,125) and 2013 ($8,003,125). His cap number was $8.9 mil in 2010, so this is by far the year with the biggest cap number. I wonder if they can rework his deal to spread it out and lower the 2011 number. One of the benefits of signing Henne is that he came relatively cheap. He probably counts less that $1 mil against your cap, right? I just found this: http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/football/nfl/Dolphins/salaries/2009-10 In 09-10 it was $607,740. Also, according to that site, the Dolphins total payroll for the 2009-2010 season was second highest in the league at $126,383,421. That was $6 mil more than the Jets. That surprised me.
Well BB, it did not surprise me as they were trying to add Vets to fill out the roster, we needed Starters ASAP so they signed guys and overpaid them, heading into 2010 they jettisoned them, Wilson, Smiley, Grove, Porter all gone. This yr Williams and his 4.3 millie comes off of the books along with Ronnie Brown's 3.5 millie, along with Will Allen restructering his deal as well. The jets problem is, they have guys to sign who are not the blue collar types, they are skill position players coming off of big seasons, with the manner in which Leon Washington was dealt with they will be more hesitant to take less money.
I think the Jets are set at the following positions: Entire OL, which is key to stability. Hunter showed me that he can be a viable and cost effective replacement to Woody. QB - would like to see Sanchez's contract restructured though. RB - Greene will take over as the feature back, and if LT isn't back, I believe McKnight will get the job done. TE - Keller is signed and Hartsock can be replaced for less money. I don't think he is a "vital" piece to the puzzle WR - this is where they need to spend some money. Other than Cotchery, the rest are FA's. The will need to sign Holmes or Edwards. Either way, they will have a corp of receivers that resemble the 2009 squad. It could be worse. So on offense, I think they are in great shape and if Sanchez continues to improve (and improve he did from 2009 to 2010. No one can debate that), their offense should be fine. On defense: Revis is one of the best CB's in the league and he is under contract. You can not understate how important the CB role is in Rex Ryan's system and Revis is phenomenal. He basically takes away the other team's #1 receiver. He is a true impact player. Would I rather have our dominant player be a fearsome DL or linebacker? Probably. But having a guy like Revis is a serious defensive weapon. However, having Revis means that team's target the other CB's and they need at least an average to above average CB to play opposite Revis. Cromartie is ok and I would like him back. It all depends on the price. In a worst case scenario, they end up like 2009 with Revis and no one else worth a crap. I'd love to see Kyle Wilson reclaim the role. He was a rookie last year and CB is a tough position to step into straight out of college. Leonhard should be back from his injury. His cap number is a manageable 2.3 mil. And as much as I have hated Eric Smith, he played better down the stretch and could be resigned cheaply. Poole was a bit of a disappointment and I would not lose sleep if he is gone. Do you think he is irreplaceable? I don't. LB's - Harris will be resigned one way or the other. Taylor will be gone. Pace and Scott need to step it up....way too much money invested between them. And yes - they are old But at the end of the day, basically the same LB group will be back. DL - Is there anyone in this group that is irreplaceable....a guy that makes you say, "Man, they will be in bad shape if they don't resign X"? Gholston will be gone and not missed. Thomas is very ordinary and is replaceable. Jenkins has been MIA for 2 years. Not having him does not weaken the 2010 defense. Pryce? Come on. The guy is ancient and his loss will not impact the Jets significantly. Ellis should retire. Again, they have no stars on the DL and no one is irreplaceable. You can name names and say, "look at all the starters they are losing!" but none of them are impact players. I truly believe Rex can field a respectable defense with just about anyone, especially with Revis taking out the other team's top WR. So really - who are the impact players the Jets could be losing? Edwards and to some extent Cromartie. Look at the rest of the list and tell me they are impact players. Folk? You said he sucked throughout the season. Pryce? Rented for the season with minimal impact. Woody? It has already been shown that he can be replaced. Ellis? His best days are long behind him. LT? Most likely will return and a decent price. Eric Smith? Show me a post anywhere on this board that sings his praises. Poole? Replaceable. Taylor? Come on. I know it's easy to point at the sheer number of players, but you really need to look at the quality of players and how they could be replaced. I do not see the doomsday scenario that you predict. The Jets are set at the majority of the key positions. And Ryan will field a competitive defense with a bunch of retreads if he has too (which me might for the DL and a few DB positions). I understand playing Devil's advocate. You predicted the demise of Folk through the year....the late season collapse that never happened....Sanchez's many int's that never materialized....his inability to play in cold weather which went up in smoke in Pit (twice), Chi, and NE. I get it and it's fun And I hope your streak continues!
Lots of changes=Rebuilding Sorry BB, it is what it is, if Brunnell leaves then who will the Nacho have to wipe his lucky booger on before games..?
I am not adverse to you calling it rebuilding. Seriously. Call it whatever you want. As I stated before, I *want* changes made - especially on defense. As far as a booger receptacle, maybe the Jets will get lucky and Henne gets cut in the offseason. I think he would make a solid back up. Fo rizzle.
I doubt the Jets could afford even Henne and his 800k. BTW when Rex saw that his first reaction was "you gonna eat that booger"? Back on topic, 25 starters, probably 8 key reserves, Jets stand to lose most of their Dline rotation, 1 starting OB, the nickel rushing DE, 2 safeties, "depth" will be non existent, if you lose one offensive lineman the Jets will be down to practice squad players.
