Area of hope for next year's offense (and Henne)

That is generally why you do not go into a 3 wide receiver set because the three best receivers, one is a tight end.

Also what you said at first is debatable. Going in a 3 wide receiver set all the time does allow the defense to adjust. One thing that is to be considered is if Miami gets out of the 3 wide receiver set is because the defense figured out how to confuse Henne in that set.

 

in what world is a 85 rating, 7.9 ave, 68% completion percentage bad?

Also I would like to point out in the argument that you are making that Rivers has the fast wide receivers, seam busting tight end, good young running backs, and good line.

 

It doesn't matter when the quarterback can't get either the ball.

 

Well the current Sparano does have only 2 good wide receivers on the team. Unfortunately Moore is pretty bad when the pressure is on and Wallace is not ready for prime time, as expected.

I do not know why Moore is still on the main roster as he does not really contribute to special teams as Wallace does. Wallace's improvement on special teams has been really good. He went from being terrible beginning of the year to being pretty decent mid way through.

Right now Miami's three best receivers are Fasano, Bess and Marshall. Fasano is not good at 3 wide. The dolphins did try to use Cobbs in the three wide position, however he was ineffective.

 

What you mentioned first isn't quickness, that is acceleration. Hartline has better acceleration than Bowe.

How is 0.16 isn't a huge difference, but .09 is a huge difference?

 

Sadly, I agree with most of that.

I really don't see a better option at this point though. I think we bring in a proven OC like McDaniels or Kubiak and give them a year to develop Henne and offer the brass an honest assessment of him before we decide to move on. IMO we're going to continue to be a running/defensive team, so if McD can squeeze as much out of our guy as he did out of Orton, I'd be satisfied with that.

 

Actually, Floyd has been playing injured, played 10 games, and has an amazing YPR figure. Jones isn't Green Bay's number 2. Donald Driver is. They play Three and Four WR sets and rely on their TE alot so their production will fall. Roy Williams is just terrible and Dez Bryant ate up a lot of his catches this year. One thing about those teams is that they also have a great TE. Witten, Gates, and Finley. But physically I'd still put them, maybe not Williams, ahead of Hartline. Ability as well.

 

It is not really a fair comparison because 3 wide receiver sets are used differently than 2 wide receiver threats.

It would show that the problem isn't the offense.

 

You have implied it with your many Hartline is too slow references. When Bowe's 40 time is only .09 better than Hartline. Plus that was at a pro day where 40 times are generally faster.

The answer to your question is obviously Bowe because Bowe is a better receiver. However if you asked me last season I would rather have Hartline because Bowe looked like he lost his mojo.

Still I do not think the receivers are the main reason Henne failed this season. If I pick a reason it is the offensive line and their inability to create holes or block in the second level. You keep on pointing out that Henne excels in short down and distance, which does make sense. The stats you show are showing more and more that this offense was built around Henne. Henne is not a gunslinger, at least not in the NFL. I do not care what he did in college as that does not mean much when in comparison to two years of work in the NFL.

 

Great thread Todd!

I don't want to hijack your thread, but I thought this info would add to it instead. Besides, there are too many "Henne" threads as it is and I don't want the wrath of Henne Haters to grow towards me anymore than it already is!

According to Football Outsiders, Henne has played like the 16th best QB in the league. Not bad especially when you look at who is rated in from of him.



http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

 

That is intersting. Hopefully if he is a starter next year he improves more.

I do wish there was a way to improve pocket awareness. he is the 2nd worst quarterback at rushing.

 

Some really surprising guys below Henne on this list, this makes me want to bring Donovan McNabb in here even less (if that was possible). After watching Cutler the last few weeks I am shocked that he is so low.

A quick question I have is why is it that they chose to rank players by DYAR rather than DVOA? Does anybody have some incite into that?

 

Other funny tidbits from the site: Hartline is above both Desean Jackson, Pierre Garcon, Dez Bryant, and Brandon Marshall

If you want to know the problem with our Offense then just take a gander at our two stud running backs rankings, not great in a power running attack.

Fasano is ahead of numerous "studs"

The reason our offensive line looks bad is the fact that they are unlucky number 13 in both Run blocking and Pass protection!

 

Friend uab_phin, youre absolutely right about the WR corp

however
it all begins in the trenches

need a pro-bowl quality Center & Pulling-Guard to solidify the offensive line

 

I don't see any real surprises above or below Henne on that list, considering how they calculate QB DYAR:

DYAR is meant to provide a meaningful statistic between replacement level players, so basically you're reading that they're ranking Henne as compared to Thigpen.

 

So this isn't a comparison of Henne to Thiggy it's a comparison of Henne to a made up average replacement, otherwise who would Brady and Manning be compared to?

 

Dunno, that's just how they calculate QBs. Other positions are calculated differently. Good question to ask them.

 

Resign Ronnie and Ricky. Why Ronnie? Because the Dolphins have done a great job not giving him the ball and keeping him fresh...for NEW ENGLAND to sign. You know they will jump right in and offer a big contract. Imagine the Patriots with an improved running game? Might as well hand them the division for 2011 on a silver platter. And they have a young defense that should only get better to boot. They'll have everything with Ronnie.

I'm hoping New Orleans comes in and tries to sign him if Miami doesn't, with Bush on the outs and who knows with Pierre Thomas. If not we can expect Ronnie to score some TDs against Miami next season.

 

Nice stats, Todd.

 

It will be very interesting to see how they address the problems with the offense, and boy, are there ever problems. I think most of the raw materials are there however. 2011 will be a 'put up or shut up' year for this regime, so it is in everyone's best interest for them to build correctly. Aside from S and ILB (if Crowder goes) I can foresee every pick going on the offensive side of the ball. The Henning situation will really have to be analyzed and a decision made as soon as possible. But, like I said, the first person I would change would be David Lee. I don't like the job that he has done with Henne. Hold onto your lunchbox boys, the next month will be very interesting.

 

I noticed 3 things.

Better blocking

Henne throwing into coverage = more confidence

WR's getting seperation