Omar Kelly trashing Henne on Sid Rosenberg right now

Top 15? Sounds like high praise considering how he's played ...

 

he is a top 500 journalist......

 

I think he's wrong on both accounts.

 

Not imo , that is being to complimentary...

 

Hence is not top 15.

 

Henne is not top 15 in any way.

 

have to say, not even thinking about winning a superbowl, although that's always a nice thought. right now we just need a team good enough to win a damn playoff game. it's easy to criticize Henne, it's harder to come up with a reasonable solution to replace him. if Henne progresses to #15 and we can beef up our offense we can win playoff games. Hell, Jets did it with Sanchez, who sucks ***.
people need to realize: there are no top 5 QB options available in the near future to carry this team to a superbowl. even if you draft one, it's a few years for them to mature. our defense may look very different by then.

 

he even got that wrong......

 

He meant Henne is top 15 of the current second year starters at QB in the NFL.

 

Named Chad.

 

And played for Michigan in college.

 

If Henne is a top 15 QB, there are 17 terrible QB's starting in this league.

 

So high?

I would just list him as journalist.....





wanna be sports guru

 

He's not a top 15 QB. However, but I bet his completion % is close. lol

 

To win the Super Bowl you don't need a top 5 QB. If Henne can become just an average, top 15 QB, I will be exicted. With the way our defense is playing, and if they keep it up, we would be legitimate SB contenders. History shows us that plenty of average, game managing QB's have won the Super Bowl.

 

Plenty?

It's possible to win a flukey SB without a top 10 QB, but you need alot of other stuff to go right. Your margin for error is alot smaller.

 

You see...here is where we differ. How can you get excited about having an average QB? I don't want to settle for average at the most important position on the team. I WANT a top 5 QB. At least top eight or so. We should always be looking for one until we get him. Why should we settle for less?

 

I'm not sure how one can win a superbowl on a fluke.

 

Sure, a top 5 QB will make it easier. Hell, a top 5 player at any position will make it easier. However, nearly half of all Super Bowls have been won with average QB's.

 

I'd be even more excited if he turned into a top 5 QB. However, I realize a top five is not needed if you have a great defense.

 

right now I would agree with you...

 

See New York Giants, 2007.

Also see Baltimore and TB. The defenses stayed great for years after those Super Bowls yet the etams never got back. Mostly it was about their QB's. Brad Johnson and Dilfer winning a SB is a fluke.

 

Most of the average QB's that have won SB's won in an earlier era when the rules were less slanted towards passing.

Mark Rypien is not winning a SB in today's NFL.

 

And that's why I didn't elaborate. In no way, shape, or form do I think Henne will or won't be a top 5. IMO, it's still up in the air and too soon to call.

 

Brady has been with the Pats since 2000, right? Why haven't they won 10 Super Bowls? How many Super Bowls has P. Manning won? 12? Well, he's been the best QB in the league for 12 seasons, so he has at least 2, right?

No, history shows us that defense is the key factor to winning a Super Bowl.

 

Tom brady and Peyton Manning are in the mix for the super bowl every year. Sometimes their defenses are really good, other times average. Yet they are always right there.

 

The QB position may be the most important. if the QB is good, he covers other sins on the team. But, it’s also true that a lot of the QB’s strengths are interwoven into the team strengths and hard to separate.

There is just no getting around the fact that it's a myth to think that you need a great QB to win the Super Bowl, or even multiple Super Bowls.

 

You're skirting the issue.

 

how is that a fluke? They took new england apart? I would say if anything New England lost because they didn't have a good enough defense. Since New England hasn't gotten back since 2007 do you feel it was a fluke they made the superbowl?
And a team not returning doesn't make them a fluke. Especially given injuries and fa moves.

 

It took a miracle catch and Eli Manning somehow escaping a sack that he could never escape again in a million years to win the SB. It was the definition of a fluke. If the 2007 Patriots and 2007 Giants played 100 times NE would beat them 99 times. It's that one time that makes sports great and is part of why we love it.

And I understand why Dolphin fans more than other fanbases want to downgrade a QB's importnace. We had one of the best of all time but so ineptly built the rest of the etam around him that we wasted his greatness. We then started wandering in the desert with coach after coach telling us that a QB wasn't that important that we started to believe it. I believed it to for awhile. I thought fiedler could win a SB. I was wrong. And I won't be making that mistake again.

 

Actually, New England's defense that year gave up an average of 17 points a game. Their offense scored an average of 38 points per game.

In the Super Bowl, their defense gave up...that's right....17 points. However, their offense only scored 14.


The Giants defense won that game by putting pressure on Brady. Brady didn't have 30 seconds in the pocket and folded as he always does under pressure. If anything the Patriots offense lost that game. However, IMO, the Giants defense won it.

 

I'm not denying that defense is important or that a QB need weapons. i'm just syaing that if you have a great QB, in this day and age, that you are going to be in it every year. That's about all you can ask for.

 

That would be correct if that was the only play in the game. But seeing as how the definition of a high powered offense was held from scoring I would say there was more tot he game then just a fluke play.

You answer your own question. If its downgrading a qbs importance to say its not the only way to reach a super bowl then so be it.

 

Patriots with Brady:

2001- 5th ranked defense, Super Bowl winners

2002- 17th ranked defense, missed playoffs

2003- 1st ranked defense, Super Bowl winners

2004- 2nd ranked defense, Super Bowl winners

2005- 17th ranked defense, lost in playoffs

2006- 3rd ranked defense, miss Super Bowl by 3 points

2007- 6th ranked defense, well...HAHA<< nothing else need be said.

2009- 6th ranked defense, one and done

2010- 17th ranked defense, ???