Henning's track record with Penny since 08:

ding ding ding you win a shinny new dime - I think this is exactly the reason - by no means does penny have the physical abilities that Henne does but he is FAR superior in the intangibles part of the game, penny is a true leader he thinks, acts and plays the part of a general on the field - and I am sorry as we have seen if you dont have the intangibles you are not going to be sucessful

 

Yes that is exactly what we should have done, except perhaps you can minus out Pat White and substitute a UDFA as our third QB.

How is that insane? Chad Henne had started practically an entire season already and was the declared starter, was going to get all the reps. Tyler Thigpen had started practically an entire season worth of starting experience and was in his second year with the team.

And what EXACTLY has Chad Henne done that is so damning here? Led us to what should be a 5-3 record against probably the toughest first half schedule in football, but for an historic bad call which put us 4-4? Compiled what should have been a QB rating in the 80's or even 90's if not for a bunch of interceptions where his receivers hung him out to dry?

Did Chad Henne continuously call stupid play fakes on 3rd & Long? Did Chad Henne call run play on 3rd & 6? Did Chad Henne drop a ball on the flea flicker that hit him on the chest and could have been a touchdown? Did Chad Henne run two wrong routes, causing two interceptions? Did Chad Henne fall down, causing another interception? Did Chad Henne lose fumbles? Did Chad Henne run out of bounds quite stupidly and then finish off the play dropping what should have been a touchdown that hit him in the hands? Is Chad Henne responsible for the death of the Wildcat? Is Chad Henne responsible for continuing to march a rotting, stinking, dead Wildcat out onto the field despite everyone's being able to smell the death coming off it? Did Chad Henne drop the pass that hits him on the hands on 3rd & Short? Did Chad Henne fail to get two feet in bounds in the end zone even though he had plenty of room to spare on a beautiful throw?

Chad Henne is on the bench for three reasons:

1. Chad Pennington was mistakenly kept on roster as a backup
2. This team (TEAM (T-E-A-M (TEAM!!!!))) is playing poorly
3. There's a new owner in town, he didn't hire these guys, they sold him a bill of goods that this team is championship-ready (hence they can continue to spend his money), and they're afraid for their jobs

 

20 INTs in the last 14 games. Missed opportunities down the field. Not nearly enough plays made to outweigh those negatives. Defenses realizing that he has a tough time putting the ball in the right spot against zone coverage. These things all have been an issue, and were only getting worse the more tape defenses had on it.

 

The FO didnt bring marshal and dansby in here to throw away a year so a young QB could develope, they brought them here to win. The offense wasnt working with Henne so they needed to make a change.

all this nonsense about saving their asses - trying to save their jobs - tell me so they are suppose keep henne in there, potentially keep losing and get fired at the end of the year or make a Qb switch and potentially save thier jobs AHHHH DUHHHH!!!!! i guess some of you would rather takea chance and lose your jobs

 

Guys - it's as simple as this. In baseball you change managers mid season to try and spark the team. In football, you change QB's.

 

Dallas tired that by getting Romo implanted. They've now gone the coach method.

 

An armless monkey?



He'd be the ball.

 

All true, however longer term add in a running game and a Te who can threaten a defense and the script changes.

For all of the grief this move has caused, why is the running game getting a pass on responsibility for the dismal offensive performance?

Ck pointed out we were not running well even with 7 men in the box.

Look at the young Qb's how have developed, Rivers, Flacco, Ryan, and look at the running backs they had to take the pressure off.

 

They didn't have a choice after the Green Bay debacle. Even then, that just sped up the Wade firing timetable, because he was gone regardless. That being said, if this weekend is a blowout loss, it's going to get real ugly for Sparano and company.

 

To be honest, everyone expects Penny to come in and will run smoothly. He hasn't played in over a year, and is facing a damn good pass rushing front in Tennessee. It will be interesting to see how this team does.

Part of me does expect us to have our asses handed to us. I'm not even emotional about it, I'd expect to lose by 20 more than we win by 3 or so. Maybe the team plays better who knows. If I'm wrong so be it, but this team has to be a bit ****ed up right now. We've fired our ST coach, just cut a former starter and contributor in Jason Allen in favor of a 34 year old CB off the street and now we've changed QB's. Yah, none of that will affect these guys. Sounds completely stable.

I expect no one will blink an eye.

 

They have managed against the Steelers and Ravens and Jets and with a young Qb so I'm not too concerned about the Titans D.

Their offense is another matter, if Nolan has any Voodoo Shaolin Ninja Tricks up his sleeve this is a really good game to pull them out and use them.

Well, firing Bono has turned into a positive, Allen was a liability and he had his special team role reduced this season anyway.

Be interesting to note if there is a "Pennington Effect" this Sunday.

 

That's the kind of dilemma you find yourself in when your message is mediocrity will not be tolerated.

 

What I have yet to hear from the Pennington side:

In 2008...Chad averaged 28 attempts a game. We averaged 4.2 yards a carry, and 118 yards a game. 11th

In 2010 we are averaging 3.9 yards per carry, and 106 yards a game. 16th

In 2010 Chad Henne is averaging 35 attempts a game. With a much worse running attack.

Dan Hennings offense is predicated on being able to run the ball. If we couldnt run the ball before Chad Pennington, how are we gonna be able to run the ball now? And mind you...in 2008...teams were crowding the box...we faced 8 men in the box almost every single game...now teams are not crowding the box...and WE STILL CANT RUN. So, Chad Pennington was able to throw against mostly Cover one defenses....now hes gonna see cover two...

 

So....maybe its not Hennings fault...or Henne's fault.

Its whoever F'd up our running games fault.....got any guesses?

 

Thank God you're not a coach. I'm a coach now. I'm glad you're not my assistant.

 

In Cover 2 Zone coverage, the weaknesses are the Middle and the sweet spot between the Hook Curl, Flat, and Safety deep half. Henning is afraid to go to the Middle leaving TWO spots Henne can throw to. Pretty hard gameplan to win with.

 

reality sometimes bites & so do personal comments on a football forum

 

What makes you think Henning is afraid to go there? Do we not run the routes?

 

I'm so confused right now? Why are you you? Why have I not disagreed with a post I read of yours yet? Is this real life? Also, are you Fireman Ed? I read your sig and am not sure.

 

In the Cover 2 Zone, the Middle of the field is a Linebacker's job. Usually a TE or a slot receiver goes behind the linebackers and catches the pass. Welker plays well there and Miami has a deficiency there because TE's usually burn us around the middle of the field.

In a 3 WR set, usually Bess goes underneath and makes a play with his legs to get upfield, The other Wr's may run w/e they run. Comebacks, posts, flies, etc. If you have a solid TE or slot receiver, getting him in the middle of the field before the deep middle and behind the LB's is automatic yards. A fast TE or shifty slot man can take that to the house.

We don't really have the TE for it and Bess works mostly underneath and boundary for some reason. I may not be right, but I don't see us taking much passes to the middle of the field. Just an example, remember in the Bengals game when Henne had those great passes to Marshall and Hartline on the right side of the field near the edge, that was a defieciency of Cover 2 Zone. The best ways to break the zone are there, DeSean Jackson/Mike Wallace, the middle, or a good run game because the only thing stopping the RB from averaging at least 5 yards are your D lineman or a Cover 2 run blitz.

I just don't see us exploiting what they give us that much. Thinking about it, the underneath route works well for short gains as well but you can't dink and donk forever. We don't call routes for chunk yardage IMO. A running game and pass catching TE would be useful though.

 

Look at Sparano and Hennings record when we run for over 100 yards....

Look at our record when we dont.

Our routes....the PA passing...all predicated on being able to run. Predicated on pulling a team out of a cover two shell...to create areas for a play to be made.

Our running game is not good enough to pull a safety up....or force a team to crowd the box. So all of the play action passing....etc...isnt going to amount to a hill of beans.

If we beat the Titans on Sunday....it wont be because of Chad Pennington. It will be because we ran the ball well.

 

I do agree that those are the type of things we need to do, and I also agree that we haven't seen many successful passes make it to those areas.

I'm glad you brought up the Bengals game, because I really feel that this was a game that Henne played poorly in, despite the outcome and stats. The game plan was essentially to attack a Bengals secondary that was missing some starters, and was going to play a lot of cover-2 and 2-man under. Henning did a good job for the most part, attacking the weak areas of the zone. You mentioned the passes toward the sideline to Marshall and Hartline.

Where I disagree with you though, is about attacking the middle of the field with Fasano and Bess. There were a number of plays against the Bengals where we tried to do this. We called those plays you're asking for that would result in chunk yardage. We sent Bess down the middle, we sent Fasano down the middle. There were a number of plays where receivers were sent downfield, and there was an open man. Henne didn't make those plays though. He didn't throw the ball where it should have been thrown. I just don't see where we didn't give Henne opportunities to do what everyone is saying we should have done.

 

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No - I am not him. Just some other dude named Ed. And I see they cleaned up the mess that other Jets fan made. Kudos, mods!

I'll debate my team with anyone, but I don't troll.

 

Yes. ALL this!!

 

mark of good coach:
adapt tactics according to the talent

thin line between observations & excuses
unfortunately
there is very little objective about NFL football forums

think about it:
was never a game won on an excuse

 

He would if it wasn't just nonsensical words completely separated from reality or debate.

 

It's just a strange system to sum it up relative to the parts the team has, the QB it has, the routes that are run, the game plans, the play calling.

It relies on the PA even though Henne convinces no one he's actually giving the ball to the running back. We play McQuistan to protect for the pass even when we're in a max protect instead of being able to run the ball effectively. It's so ridiculously conservative that it places you in the wrong spots to lose. It's ugly, it really is. Even under Wanny they had an Air Coryell offense that tried to go deep, had a flow to it, made sense overall (Fiedler and the line sucked).

I have no idea what the heck they're trying to do now. No clue.

Do we want to go 3 WR? Do we want to go with Polite and Fasano on the field? Point is Bess is best in the slot, no question. It almost forces you to get another big deep ball target as a 2 TE set (a Keller like guy) or go 3 WR. Right now with what you have, go 3 WR and see if Wallace can develop. I hate to say it but they're going to have to choose between carrying Fasano most of the game or Polite. I would go with Fasano. Maybe they'll go with a Patriot like spread offense next year, with say a Kyle Rudolph taking Fasano's spot and another speedy receiver like a Jacoby Jones or something I have no clue really.

By the way I haven't figured out one NFL system that Henne is ideally suited for. He's a low mobility, cannon armed, accurate in the intermediate, mediocre in the deep, mediocre in the short passing game, tough QB. What does that add up to? It sure as hell isn't the WCO. It isn't the Air Coryell, Henne can't really hit those anticipation routes all that well and our WRs have never even played for a team with those routes. Ehrhardt-Perkins? Pistol offense?

The right 53? My *** Sparano.